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hlthe2b

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56. Israel killed them and here you are defending/deflecting for them

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Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:26 AM

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UN RESPONSIBLE FOR CIVILIAN DEATHS IN GAZA. REFUSED TO HELP MOVE CIVILIANS OUT OF HARMS WAY. [View all] shira Sep 2014 OP

NO! ISRAEL ALONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CIVILIAN DEATHS IN GAZA. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #1

Not exactly King_David Sep 2014 #4

Bull shit! Israel bombed them. No matter what you say. upaloopa Sep 2014 #6

That's not what international law says FBaggins Sep 2014 #8

And your source is? 4now Sep 2014 #10

The Geneva conventions for one. FBaggins Sep 2014 #20

So it is Israels fault when they do not move their population away from Hamas when Hamas launches LiberalArkie Sep 2014 #76

Lol... sure! FBaggins Sep 2014 #79

wouldn't IDF headquarters be a "valid military target"? It's in Tel Aviv azurnoir Sep 2014 #199

Excellent rebuttal. n/t Aerows Sep 2014 #84

Ummm...Israel does move their population away wercal Sep 2014 #161

Israel refused to evacuate Sderot when the residents asked for it. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #163

israel is not perfect wercal Sep 2014 #165

Nice piece of sports equipment you've got there... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #167

Talk to me Hamas quits deliberately killing civilians for sport wercal Sep 2014 #182

Hamas rockets can not be aimed so there is no "deliberate" anything the best you can azurnoir Sep 2014 #207

You're proving my point and don't even know it wercal Sep 2014 #211

what 'point' was that? That the word deliberate and/or targeted has little meaning re:Hamas rockets? azurnoir Sep 2014 #213

Lol King_David Sep 2014 #12

Glad you find the slaughter of civilians so funny Scootaloo Sep 2014 #102

Baloney. David, you are the King of Israeli propaganda! BillZBubb Sep 2014 #7

Great rebuttal King_David Sep 2014 #11

No. MFM008 Sep 2014 #14

Sounds balanced to me King_David Sep 2014 #17

Bibi + PNAC = daschess1987 Sep 2014 #106

You are intelligent Aerows Sep 2014 #186

So you don't have a problem with UN refusal to help save Palestinian lives? shira Sep 2014 #43

It goes beyond that FBaggins Sep 2014 #47

You're right, good call. Nice "pro" Palestinian views here BTW.... shira Sep 2014 #52

They had nowhere to go ann--- Sep 2014 #105

There are plenty of open areas in Gaza where fighting didn't occur. shira Sep 2014 #116

It's more cute that ann--- Sep 2014 #139

More right winged sources: Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #2

The video tells all. And here you are running interference... shira Sep 2014 #44

The sources are relevant as they depict an agenda that amounts to false claims, false Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #46

It's all on video. Deal with it. shira Sep 2014 #48

It's bullshit, and the full transcript, which your right wing source neglects to include is telling. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #51

Yeah, it's in the transcript too. A reporter followed up & Ironside acknowledged..... shira Sep 2014 #53

Your spin is absurd, and I do hope this lawyer tries to use this horsehit manipulation of the role Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #54

You should've done the right thing from the start & condemned the UN..... shira Sep 2014 #57

Why do I hear echoes of Aerows Sep 2014 #86

People see & hear whatever they wish sometimes. shira Sep 2014 #89

"People see & hear whatever they wish sometimes" Aerows Sep 2014 #94

In between attempting to parse this Aerows Sep 2014 #205

Or, ann--- Sep 2014 #144

"Destroying your homes and children Aerows Sep 2014 #184

You're desperate, Shira ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2014 #179

Yes, another proud moment for the UN. n/t shira Sep 2014 #180

If you believe the UN is dedicated to the suffering of children Aerows Sep 2014 #183

Here's UNICEF Gaza calling on you for a donation.... shira Sep 2014 #188

Don't know what to say to you, but this seems apt as a rebuttal. Aerows Sep 2014 #206

Crickets. chirp chirp chirp Aerows Sep 2014 #185

Anyone who watches the video in your OP can tell it's been edited azurnoir Sep 2014 #209

The people who drop the bombs are responsible 4now Sep 2014 #3

See #8 FBaggins Sep 2014 #9

Actually Hamas is responsible , King_David Sep 2014 #21

Four arguments why you are wrong to absolve the IDF from the deaths: DetlefK Sep 2014 #32

The invasion was because of the rockets King_David Sep 2014 #36

How reliable is Israel investigating Israel? DetlefK Sep 2014 #37

So the UNHRC is more reliable ? King_David Sep 2014 #38

None of the four holds water FBaggins Sep 2014 #39

I'm not talking about legal responsibility. I'm talking about moral responsibility. DetlefK Sep 2014 #50

They're the same thing in this case. FBaggins Sep 2014 #59

Ah yes, this argument Scootaloo Sep 2014 #107

Question. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #109

What international treaties is hamas party to, Shaktimaan? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #111

None of course. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #112

Who would they be culpable to, exactly? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #113

The law Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #210

Ah yes. Legal = Morally Right Scootaloo Sep 2014 #103

There is a load of shit if I ever read it. upaloopa Sep 2014 #5

UN might have done more, but this isn't going to remove a smidgen of guilt from Israel... hlthe2b Sep 2014 #13

IYO King_David Sep 2014 #22

in World Opinion... hlthe2b Sep 2014 #23

I'm not disputing world opinion King_David Sep 2014 #26

according to Anne Bayefsky the author of this OP it's "Obama's obscene moral relativism" azurnoir Sep 2014 #24

Fox News ? King_David Sep 2014 #25

one of the publications the author of this OP writes for in fact she appears there quite frequently azurnoir Sep 2014 #27

You posted a Fox News excerpt King_David Sep 2014 #29

what part of the author of this OP writes for Fox and PowerLine escapes you? azurnoir Sep 2014 #64

You can post from whatever source you want King_David Sep 2014 #67

But you're taking Arutz Sheva seriously? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #108

I don't post Fox or Aruts Sheve King_David Sep 2014 #121

The OP article source is Arutz Sheva, word-for-word Scootaloo Sep 2014 #129

Did I post it ? King_David Sep 2014 #131

I just find it curious Scootaloo Sep 2014 #137

I never posted from Arutz Sheva King_David Sep 2014 #145

No, I'm pointing out that the OP source is Arutz Sheva Scootaloo Sep 2014 #150

Oki doki King_David Sep 2014 #151

So, can't even defend yourself? I guess Shira was wrong n/t Scootaloo Sep 2014 #154

Defend ? King_David Sep 2014 #159

Certainly. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #162

I seem very popular dude King_David Sep 2014 #175

...Well... you know, I guess I can't argue against that. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #177

Thanks for the good advice, King_David Sep 2014 #178

The UN might have or should have done more? shira Sep 2014 #41

I have a problem with the force that killed them--Israel hlthe2b Sep 2014 #42

So you have a problem with Israel, not the UN's refusal to help save Palestinians. shira Sep 2014 #45

the UN did not kill them. ISRAEL DID.. NO amount of deflecting will change that. hlthe2b Sep 2014 #49

The UN's job is to protect Palestinians. They refused when given the chance. shira Sep 2014 #55

Israel killed them and here you are defending/deflecting for them hlthe2b Sep 2014 #56

Only the Palestinians' worst enemies would defend the UN for refusing.... shira Sep 2014 #58

If it was 'the UN's job to protect Palestinians' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #138

I strongly suggest checking out the source here which is really not an organization but one person azurnoir Sep 2014 #15

No surprise. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #16

Ironside admitted on video UN refused to help evacuate.... shira Sep 2014 #40

There certainly is no sugar coating Bayefsky's claim of "Obama's obscene moral relativism" azurnoir Sep 2014 #60

You're still deflecting when the proper response to UNESCO's refusal.... shira Sep 2014 #61

Nope if the UN had acted differently it'd be UN helps terrorists escape IDF azurnoir Sep 2014 #62

With "friends" like you and the UN, Palestinians don't need enemies. n/t shira Sep 2014 #63

I guess the UN storing weapons for terrorists really did fall on its face? azurnoir Sep 2014 #65

Beyond all doubt, there is partial responsibility. Mao Shung Sep 2014 #18

Of course there is. The UN refused to save Palestinian lives given the opportunity.... shira Sep 2014 #19

The only people responsible for deaths by bombing are those who drop the bombs Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #28

Ridiculously untrue. FBaggins Sep 2014 #30

I can't think of a single example of what you say. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #31

That's not surprising FBaggins Sep 2014 #33

So you believe that Hamas had to respond to Israel with violence Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #34

"Should" wasn't part of the conversation. FBaggins Sep 2014 #35

Just noticed this nonsense. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #143

If I hit a busload full of children because I'm drunk Aerows Sep 2014 #66

Hamas bears most responsibility under IHL shira Sep 2014 #68

When a child throws a stone at you Aerows Sep 2014 #69

Israel bashers do NOT believe Israelis have a right to defend themselves.... shira Sep 2014 #70

I'm not sure if you are calling me an Israel basher Aerows Sep 2014 #71

I didn't. n/t shira Sep 2014 #72

Zionists believe massacre of children is self-defense Scootaloo Sep 2014 #110

Jews will defend themselves. I'm sorry you disagree. n/t shira Sep 2014 #115

Nine out of ten people killed were civilians. A quarter of those killed were children Scootaloo Sep 2014 #127

That's bullshit. You're making up numbers now to incite hatred. n/t shira Sep 2014 #135

Oh, now it's cool to just yell "bullshit"? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #147

No one, not even Hamas, claims 9 of 10 killed are civilian. n/t shira Sep 2014 #148

That's the ratio you get when 1,800 of 2,100 killed are civilians Scootaloo Sep 2014 #153

Same BS claims were made in 2009 with OCL, proven to be wrong.... shira Sep 2014 #155

"Israel says" Scootaloo Sep 2014 #157

Israel argued 1:1 ratio 5 years ago and they were right.... shira Sep 2014 #158

Is B'tselem an enemy of Israel? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #160

Hamas admitted those police were combatants. Nice try though... shira Sep 2014 #164

No, they didn't. And police are not combatants. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #166

I edited that last post but here you go... shira Sep 2014 #168

And police are not combatants. They are civilians. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #170

See #169 also. Argue with Hamas. They called them combatants, not me. shira Sep 2014 #171

Hamas plainly didn't Scootaloo Sep 2014 #173

They did & the numbers add up pretty close to the IDF's 709. n/t shira Sep 2014 #181

One more article where Hamas admits police were combatants... shira Sep 2014 #169

Except again, hamas is not saying that. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #172

Oh, Hamas DID say exactly that. You need to work on yr reading comprehension shira Sep 2014 #174

wrong analogy Mao Shung Sep 2014 #75

Not the wrong analogy. Aerows Sep 2014 #83

your analogy makes no sense. Mao Shung Sep 2014 #74

My analogy addressed that. Aerows Sep 2014 #85

What a stupid argument. bravenak Sep 2014 #73

all your facts are wrong Mao Shung Sep 2014 #77

I said ALL. bravenak Sep 2014 #91

So you don't have a problem with UN refusal to help save Palestinian lives? shira Sep 2014 #81

I support NOT bombing UN SHELTERS OR CIVILIANS WITH MY MONEY. bravenak Sep 2014 #93

You didn't answer the question. So presumably..... shira Sep 2014 #96

You just made that up. bravenak Sep 2014 #98

Interesting isn't it? GeoWilliam750 Sep 2014 #100

It's true. Your tax dollars (billions of US $$) go to the UN... shira Sep 2014 #117

Hyperbole. bravenak Sep 2014 #122

Hyperbole is your contribution in post #73 above. n/t shira Sep 2014 #123

Nope. bravenak Sep 2014 #146

Sorry, but Jews really do have a right to defend themselves from Hamas fascists.... shira Sep 2014 #149

Are you saying Jews = Israel? bravenak Sep 2014 #152

The Jews will defend themselves... shira Sep 2014 #156

So you are saying Jews equal Israel. bravenak Sep 2014 #192

I never see Israel's most hostile critics condemning any of Israel's..... shira Sep 2014 #193

I have a problem with rightwingers. bravenak Sep 2014 #194

If you're going to argue Israel is not synonymous with the Jews.... shira Sep 2014 #195

I find the Israel = The Jews argument to be dangerous. bravenak Sep 2014 #197

Well, Hamas wants the Jews dead. In Israel and outside of Israel... shira Sep 2014 #198

If Israel was just killing and fighting Hamas, I would agree. bravenak Sep 2014 #200

I think I've finally realized where I've heard this crap argument before. Aerows Sep 2014 #87

Exactly. bravenak Sep 2014 #90

We can always trust Arutz Sheva to be accurate... LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #78

Seriously, you too? Did you not see the video in the OP? shira Sep 2014 #80

Well Mao Shung Sep 2014 #82

wonder what was in the part of the video that was edited out? azurnoir Sep 2014 #88

Yet another load of shit. rateyes Sep 2014 #92

All the time, 24/7. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #95

Wow, another convincing, substantive argument. n/t shira Sep 2014 #97

I wasnt making an argument. I was rateyes Sep 2014 #99

One can't make a substantive argument against gibberish. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #101

No one here can reasonably defend UN refusal to help protect Gazans.... shira Sep 2014 #125

It's not immature to call bullshit, bullshit. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #128

It is when you're incapable of reasonably explaining WHY it's bullshit. n/t shira Sep 2014 #130

I can fully explain why it is bullshit. rateyes Sep 2014 #196

Sorry ann--- Sep 2014 #104

You support the UN refusing to protect Palestinians when given the opportunity? shira Sep 2014 #118

They had nowhere to go ann--- Sep 2014 #136

That's NOT what the UNICEF chief said in the video. You're making excuses. shira Sep 2014 #141

Doesn't matter what she is claiming ann--- Sep 2014 #142

FFS! how long do you think it takes to evacuate? intaglio Sep 2014 #114

The UN has complained before that Israel did NOT give them..... shira Sep 2014 #119

Given warning time NOT "ample" warning time intaglio Sep 2014 #120

The UN complained that Israel didn't warn or didn't give enuff time.... shira Sep 2014 #124

Well if the UN did not have enough time then attempting evacuation would have been foolish intaglio Sep 2014 #126

The UN refuses to help in the ethnic cleansing, so they're responsible for the Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #132

Ethnic cleansing? Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #212

How is it in UNRWA or UNICEF's mission to carry out the commands of military to scatter civilians? azurnoir Sep 2014 #214

Wrong- the UN did not deathrind Sep 2014 #133

It was admitted on video. Israel had a legit military target to strike.... shira Sep 2014 #134

No matter how you parse this issue deathrind Sep 2014 #140

You must be so proud of the UN for refusing to do their job shira Sep 2014 #176

Is it even possible for you... deathrind Sep 2014 #187

I don't see how it's possible to defend the UNICEF chief's statement.... shira Sep 2014 #189

First rule of any first responder is scene safety. deathrind Sep 2014 #190

You're assuming UN motive when that's not what was stated by UNICEF shira Sep 2014 #191

UNICEF and UN Peacekeepers are 2 very different things, Peacekeepers who aren't in Gaza are the ones azurnoir Sep 2014 #201

Israel could've refused to take in the UN peacekeepers..... shira Sep 2014 #202

No I would not have blamed Israel for UN Peacekeepers dieing in Syria azurnoir Sep 2014 #203

You'd be totally okay with Israel refusing to take UN peacekeepers in, yes? n/t shira Sep 2014 #204

actually that's up to Israel however all things considered azurnoir Sep 2014 #208