Israel/Palestine

shira

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118. You support the UN refusing to protect Palestinians when given the opportunity?

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:10 AM

Sep 2014

The UN has complained before that Israel has NOT given them enough time to evacuate areas targeted against Hamas fascists.

So they were given ample warning, and now they refuse to do their job.

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Are you proud of UNICEF's decision?

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UN RESPONSIBLE FOR CIVILIAN DEATHS IN GAZA. REFUSED TO HELP MOVE CIVILIANS OUT OF HARMS WAY. [View all] shira Sep 2014 OP

NO! ISRAEL ALONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CIVILIAN DEATHS IN GAZA. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #1

Not exactly King_David Sep 2014 #4

Bull shit! Israel bombed them. No matter what you say. upaloopa Sep 2014 #6

That's not what international law says FBaggins Sep 2014 #8

And your source is? 4now Sep 2014 #10

The Geneva conventions for one. FBaggins Sep 2014 #20

So it is Israels fault when they do not move their population away from Hamas when Hamas launches LiberalArkie Sep 2014 #76

Lol... sure! FBaggins Sep 2014 #79

wouldn't IDF headquarters be a "valid military target"? It's in Tel Aviv azurnoir Sep 2014 #199

Excellent rebuttal. n/t Aerows Sep 2014 #84

Ummm...Israel does move their population away wercal Sep 2014 #161

Israel refused to evacuate Sderot when the residents asked for it. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #163

israel is not perfect wercal Sep 2014 #165

Nice piece of sports equipment you've got there... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #167

Talk to me Hamas quits deliberately killing civilians for sport wercal Sep 2014 #182

Hamas rockets can not be aimed so there is no "deliberate" anything the best you can azurnoir Sep 2014 #207

You're proving my point and don't even know it wercal Sep 2014 #211

what 'point' was that? That the word deliberate and/or targeted has little meaning re:Hamas rockets? azurnoir Sep 2014 #213

Lol King_David Sep 2014 #12

Glad you find the slaughter of civilians so funny Scootaloo Sep 2014 #102

Baloney. David, you are the King of Israeli propaganda! BillZBubb Sep 2014 #7

Great rebuttal King_David Sep 2014 #11

No. MFM008 Sep 2014 #14

Sounds balanced to me King_David Sep 2014 #17

Bibi + PNAC = daschess1987 Sep 2014 #106

You are intelligent Aerows Sep 2014 #186

So you don't have a problem with UN refusal to help save Palestinian lives? shira Sep 2014 #43

It goes beyond that FBaggins Sep 2014 #47

You're right, good call. Nice "pro" Palestinian views here BTW.... shira Sep 2014 #52

They had nowhere to go ann--- Sep 2014 #105

There are plenty of open areas in Gaza where fighting didn't occur. shira Sep 2014 #116

It's more cute that ann--- Sep 2014 #139

More right winged sources: Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #2

The video tells all. And here you are running interference... shira Sep 2014 #44

The sources are relevant as they depict an agenda that amounts to false claims, false Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #46

It's all on video. Deal with it. shira Sep 2014 #48

It's bullshit, and the full transcript, which your right wing source neglects to include is telling. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #51

Yeah, it's in the transcript too. A reporter followed up & Ironside acknowledged..... shira Sep 2014 #53

Your spin is absurd, and I do hope this lawyer tries to use this horsehit manipulation of the role Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #54

You should've done the right thing from the start & condemned the UN..... shira Sep 2014 #57

Why do I hear echoes of Aerows Sep 2014 #86

People see & hear whatever they wish sometimes. shira Sep 2014 #89

"People see & hear whatever they wish sometimes" Aerows Sep 2014 #94

In between attempting to parse this Aerows Sep 2014 #205

Or, ann--- Sep 2014 #144

"Destroying your homes and children Aerows Sep 2014 #184

You're desperate, Shira ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2014 #179

Yes, another proud moment for the UN. n/t shira Sep 2014 #180

If you believe the UN is dedicated to the suffering of children Aerows Sep 2014 #183

Here's UNICEF Gaza calling on you for a donation.... shira Sep 2014 #188

Don't know what to say to you, but this seems apt as a rebuttal. Aerows Sep 2014 #206

Crickets. chirp chirp chirp Aerows Sep 2014 #185

Anyone who watches the video in your OP can tell it's been edited azurnoir Sep 2014 #209

The people who drop the bombs are responsible 4now Sep 2014 #3

See #8 FBaggins Sep 2014 #9

Actually Hamas is responsible , King_David Sep 2014 #21

Four arguments why you are wrong to absolve the IDF from the deaths: DetlefK Sep 2014 #32

The invasion was because of the rockets King_David Sep 2014 #36

How reliable is Israel investigating Israel? DetlefK Sep 2014 #37

So the UNHRC is more reliable ? King_David Sep 2014 #38

None of the four holds water FBaggins Sep 2014 #39

I'm not talking about legal responsibility. I'm talking about moral responsibility. DetlefK Sep 2014 #50

They're the same thing in this case. FBaggins Sep 2014 #59

Ah yes, this argument Scootaloo Sep 2014 #107

Question. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #109

What international treaties is hamas party to, Shaktimaan? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #111

None of course. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #112

Who would they be culpable to, exactly? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #113

The law Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #210

Ah yes. Legal = Morally Right Scootaloo Sep 2014 #103

There is a load of shit if I ever read it. upaloopa Sep 2014 #5

UN might have done more, but this isn't going to remove a smidgen of guilt from Israel... hlthe2b Sep 2014 #13

IYO King_David Sep 2014 #22

in World Opinion... hlthe2b Sep 2014 #23

I'm not disputing world opinion King_David Sep 2014 #26

according to Anne Bayefsky the author of this OP it's "Obama's obscene moral relativism" azurnoir Sep 2014 #24

Fox News ? King_David Sep 2014 #25

one of the publications the author of this OP writes for in fact she appears there quite frequently azurnoir Sep 2014 #27

You posted a Fox News excerpt King_David Sep 2014 #29

what part of the author of this OP writes for Fox and PowerLine escapes you? azurnoir Sep 2014 #64

You can post from whatever source you want King_David Sep 2014 #67

But you're taking Arutz Sheva seriously? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #108

I don't post Fox or Aruts Sheve King_David Sep 2014 #121

The OP article source is Arutz Sheva, word-for-word Scootaloo Sep 2014 #129

Did I post it ? King_David Sep 2014 #131

I just find it curious Scootaloo Sep 2014 #137

I never posted from Arutz Sheva King_David Sep 2014 #145

No, I'm pointing out that the OP source is Arutz Sheva Scootaloo Sep 2014 #150

Oki doki King_David Sep 2014 #151

So, can't even defend yourself? I guess Shira was wrong n/t Scootaloo Sep 2014 #154

Defend ? King_David Sep 2014 #159

Certainly. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #162

I seem very popular dude King_David Sep 2014 #175

...Well... you know, I guess I can't argue against that. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #177

Thanks for the good advice, King_David Sep 2014 #178

The UN might have or should have done more? shira Sep 2014 #41

I have a problem with the force that killed them--Israel hlthe2b Sep 2014 #42

So you have a problem with Israel, not the UN's refusal to help save Palestinians. shira Sep 2014 #45

the UN did not kill them. ISRAEL DID.. NO amount of deflecting will change that. hlthe2b Sep 2014 #49

The UN's job is to protect Palestinians. They refused when given the chance. shira Sep 2014 #55

Israel killed them and here you are defending/deflecting for them hlthe2b Sep 2014 #56

Only the Palestinians' worst enemies would defend the UN for refusing.... shira Sep 2014 #58

If it was 'the UN's job to protect Palestinians' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #138

I strongly suggest checking out the source here which is really not an organization but one person azurnoir Sep 2014 #15

No surprise. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #16

Ironside admitted on video UN refused to help evacuate.... shira Sep 2014 #40

There certainly is no sugar coating Bayefsky's claim of "Obama's obscene moral relativism" azurnoir Sep 2014 #60

You're still deflecting when the proper response to UNESCO's refusal.... shira Sep 2014 #61

Nope if the UN had acted differently it'd be UN helps terrorists escape IDF azurnoir Sep 2014 #62

With "friends" like you and the UN, Palestinians don't need enemies. n/t shira Sep 2014 #63

I guess the UN storing weapons for terrorists really did fall on its face? azurnoir Sep 2014 #65

Beyond all doubt, there is partial responsibility. Mao Shung Sep 2014 #18

Of course there is. The UN refused to save Palestinian lives given the opportunity.... shira Sep 2014 #19

The only people responsible for deaths by bombing are those who drop the bombs Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #28

Ridiculously untrue. FBaggins Sep 2014 #30

I can't think of a single example of what you say. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #31

That's not surprising FBaggins Sep 2014 #33

So you believe that Hamas had to respond to Israel with violence Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #34

"Should" wasn't part of the conversation. FBaggins Sep 2014 #35

Just noticed this nonsense. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #143

If I hit a busload full of children because I'm drunk Aerows Sep 2014 #66

Hamas bears most responsibility under IHL shira Sep 2014 #68

When a child throws a stone at you Aerows Sep 2014 #69

Israel bashers do NOT believe Israelis have a right to defend themselves.... shira Sep 2014 #70

I'm not sure if you are calling me an Israel basher Aerows Sep 2014 #71

I didn't. n/t shira Sep 2014 #72

Zionists believe massacre of children is self-defense Scootaloo Sep 2014 #110

Jews will defend themselves. I'm sorry you disagree. n/t shira Sep 2014 #115

Nine out of ten people killed were civilians. A quarter of those killed were children Scootaloo Sep 2014 #127

That's bullshit. You're making up numbers now to incite hatred. n/t shira Sep 2014 #135

Oh, now it's cool to just yell "bullshit"? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #147

No one, not even Hamas, claims 9 of 10 killed are civilian. n/t shira Sep 2014 #148

That's the ratio you get when 1,800 of 2,100 killed are civilians Scootaloo Sep 2014 #153

Same BS claims were made in 2009 with OCL, proven to be wrong.... shira Sep 2014 #155

"Israel says" Scootaloo Sep 2014 #157

Israel argued 1:1 ratio 5 years ago and they were right.... shira Sep 2014 #158

Is B'tselem an enemy of Israel? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #160

Hamas admitted those police were combatants. Nice try though... shira Sep 2014 #164

No, they didn't. And police are not combatants. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #166

I edited that last post but here you go... shira Sep 2014 #168

And police are not combatants. They are civilians. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #170

See #169 also. Argue with Hamas. They called them combatants, not me. shira Sep 2014 #171

Hamas plainly didn't Scootaloo Sep 2014 #173

They did & the numbers add up pretty close to the IDF's 709. n/t shira Sep 2014 #181

One more article where Hamas admits police were combatants... shira Sep 2014 #169

Except again, hamas is not saying that. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #172

Oh, Hamas DID say exactly that. You need to work on yr reading comprehension shira Sep 2014 #174

wrong analogy Mao Shung Sep 2014 #75

Not the wrong analogy. Aerows Sep 2014 #83

your analogy makes no sense. Mao Shung Sep 2014 #74

My analogy addressed that. Aerows Sep 2014 #85

What a stupid argument. bravenak Sep 2014 #73

all your facts are wrong Mao Shung Sep 2014 #77

I said ALL. bravenak Sep 2014 #91

So you don't have a problem with UN refusal to help save Palestinian lives? shira Sep 2014 #81

I support NOT bombing UN SHELTERS OR CIVILIANS WITH MY MONEY. bravenak Sep 2014 #93

You didn't answer the question. So presumably..... shira Sep 2014 #96

You just made that up. bravenak Sep 2014 #98

Interesting isn't it? GeoWilliam750 Sep 2014 #100

It's true. Your tax dollars (billions of US $$) go to the UN... shira Sep 2014 #117

Hyperbole. bravenak Sep 2014 #122

Hyperbole is your contribution in post #73 above. n/t shira Sep 2014 #123

Nope. bravenak Sep 2014 #146

Sorry, but Jews really do have a right to defend themselves from Hamas fascists.... shira Sep 2014 #149

Are you saying Jews = Israel? bravenak Sep 2014 #152

The Jews will defend themselves... shira Sep 2014 #156

So you are saying Jews equal Israel. bravenak Sep 2014 #192

I never see Israel's most hostile critics condemning any of Israel's..... shira Sep 2014 #193

I have a problem with rightwingers. bravenak Sep 2014 #194

If you're going to argue Israel is not synonymous with the Jews.... shira Sep 2014 #195

I find the Israel = The Jews argument to be dangerous. bravenak Sep 2014 #197

Well, Hamas wants the Jews dead. In Israel and outside of Israel... shira Sep 2014 #198

If Israel was just killing and fighting Hamas, I would agree. bravenak Sep 2014 #200

I think I've finally realized where I've heard this crap argument before. Aerows Sep 2014 #87

Exactly. bravenak Sep 2014 #90

We can always trust Arutz Sheva to be accurate... LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #78

Seriously, you too? Did you not see the video in the OP? shira Sep 2014 #80

Well Mao Shung Sep 2014 #82

wonder what was in the part of the video that was edited out? azurnoir Sep 2014 #88

Yet another load of shit. rateyes Sep 2014 #92

All the time, 24/7. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #95

Wow, another convincing, substantive argument. n/t shira Sep 2014 #97

I wasnt making an argument. I was rateyes Sep 2014 #99

One can't make a substantive argument against gibberish. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #101

No one here can reasonably defend UN refusal to help protect Gazans.... shira Sep 2014 #125

It's not immature to call bullshit, bullshit. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #128

It is when you're incapable of reasonably explaining WHY it's bullshit. n/t shira Sep 2014 #130

I can fully explain why it is bullshit. rateyes Sep 2014 #196

Sorry ann--- Sep 2014 #104

You support the UN refusing to protect Palestinians when given the opportunity? shira Sep 2014 #118

They had nowhere to go ann--- Sep 2014 #136

That's NOT what the UNICEF chief said in the video. You're making excuses. shira Sep 2014 #141

Doesn't matter what she is claiming ann--- Sep 2014 #142

FFS! how long do you think it takes to evacuate? intaglio Sep 2014 #114

The UN has complained before that Israel did NOT give them..... shira Sep 2014 #119

Given warning time NOT "ample" warning time intaglio Sep 2014 #120

The UN complained that Israel didn't warn or didn't give enuff time.... shira Sep 2014 #124

Well if the UN did not have enough time then attempting evacuation would have been foolish intaglio Sep 2014 #126

The UN refuses to help in the ethnic cleansing, so they're responsible for the Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #132

Ethnic cleansing? Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #212

How is it in UNRWA or UNICEF's mission to carry out the commands of military to scatter civilians? azurnoir Sep 2014 #214

Wrong- the UN did not deathrind Sep 2014 #133

It was admitted on video. Israel had a legit military target to strike.... shira Sep 2014 #134

No matter how you parse this issue deathrind Sep 2014 #140

You must be so proud of the UN for refusing to do their job shira Sep 2014 #176

Is it even possible for you... deathrind Sep 2014 #187

I don't see how it's possible to defend the UNICEF chief's statement.... shira Sep 2014 #189

First rule of any first responder is scene safety. deathrind Sep 2014 #190

You're assuming UN motive when that's not what was stated by UNICEF shira Sep 2014 #191

UNICEF and UN Peacekeepers are 2 very different things, Peacekeepers who aren't in Gaza are the ones azurnoir Sep 2014 #201

Israel could've refused to take in the UN peacekeepers..... shira Sep 2014 #202

No I would not have blamed Israel for UN Peacekeepers dieing in Syria azurnoir Sep 2014 #203

You'd be totally okay with Israel refusing to take UN peacekeepers in, yes? n/t shira Sep 2014 #204

actually that's up to Israel however all things considered azurnoir Sep 2014 #208