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King_David

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16. I see israelicool was posted here.

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Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:22 AM

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Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism [View all] shira Sep 2014 OP

OP cont'd... shira Sep 2014 #1

Nobody here gives war criminals from OTHER countries, or from the U.S., a pass. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #113

B'tselem does, and that's the topic of the OP. So does the UNHRC, Amnesty... shira Sep 2014 #124

It wouldn't make any difference if they labeled Hamas as terrorists. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #150

You claimed no one here gives war criminals a pass.... shira Sep 2014 #157

Labeling Hamas a terrorist org. achieves nothing...and those that chose not to do so see that. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #163

It goes beyond not calling them terrorists. They're apologists for Hamas war crimes.... shira Sep 2014 #166

LOL. So now UNHRC, B'tselem, HRW, and Amnesty are Hamas apologists. DanTex Sep 2014 #171

They all deny Hamas human shields, saying no evidence exists.... shira Sep 2014 #172

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These Jews you talking about are most probably Zionists also King_David Sep 2014 #6

Many of them used to be. roody Sep 2014 #92

Mmmmhh I think you mixing in the wrong crowds King_David Sep 2014 #99

Yeah, obviously it's better to listen to anonymous extremists on the internet. DanTex Sep 2014 #135

:).... Israeli Sep 2014 #3

Whaaaaat? Shira is soursing a belligerant right-winger? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #7

I've been thru all this with her before Scoot ... Israeli Sep 2014 #21

Right wing crap, all the time. Alan Dershowitz will be posted soon I suspect..he wrote a new book Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #9

I see israelicool was posted here. King_David Sep 2014 #16

Yemini describes himself as a left-winger. It's pretty lame.... shira Sep 2014 #11

The latest article is a tired old ad-hominem canard itself Scootaloo Sep 2014 #60

How typical that u didn't address anything substantive in the article. n/t shira Sep 2014 #68

gee that's helpful. it's in Hebrew. cali Sep 2014 #181

Guess who is coming for dinner shira .... Israeli Sep 2014 #4

Why you posting Israelycool here? King_David Sep 2014 #15

Why ? Israeli Sep 2014 #23

I don't like Hagee either King_David Sep 2014 #26

Its the ideological counterpart to the "Zionism is racism" argument shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #5

No. Feral Child Sep 2014 #8

Why so many right-wing sources? Because only right-wingers make absurd arguments like this? DanTex Sep 2014 #10

That's what you'll see here..often denials they are right wing too. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #13

Kinda reminds me of the gungeon in that way. DanTex Sep 2014 #20

Yes...there are similarities on sources of opinion. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #24

Yemini is left-wing. The problem to many here is he isn't radical left. n/t shira Sep 2014 #14

He is not shira ..... Israeli Sep 2014 #19

I don't think Bradley Burston is radical left King_David Sep 2014 #28

Burston isn't far Left, but he's wrong on Yemini. shira Sep 2014 #31

That wasn't what that poster was saying. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #115

Leave it Ken ... Israeli Sep 2014 #116

I don't see a cultural difference nor should there be King_David Sep 2014 #118

just because you dont see it King_David.... Israeli Sep 2014 #119

Sure King_David Sep 2014 #120

You are American King_David..... Israeli Sep 2014 #122

There's lots of American immigrants in Israel King_David Sep 2014 #131

Burston is wrong about Yemini, so? Yemini says he's leftwing. n/t shira Sep 2014 #30

Nope ...Burston is not wrong about Yemini ... Israeli Sep 2014 #34

That article is a joke. The far Left is definitely attempting to Nazify Israel.... shira Sep 2014 #36

That article is not a joke shira .... Israeli Sep 2014 #110

Making Israel = Nazi comparisons is a form of Holocaust Denial shira Sep 2014 #125

In short .... Israeli Sep 2014 #17

He makes himself clear he is an apologist for Israel and does not appreciate the fact that Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #12

The problem is he doesn't actually mention anyone saying anything that is anti-Zionist. aranthus Sep 2014 #18

Yemeni accused B'tselem of harboring/supporting Holocaust denial 8/31/14 azurnoir Sep 2014 #22

No surprise from the alleged lefty named Yemeni. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #25

Did u know the B'tselem head refuses to call Hamas a terror org? shira Sep 2014 #72

What's your point? They're turncoats for Hamas? Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #83

Enablers of Hamas terror is more like it. And evidence does not exist.... shira Sep 2014 #86

Enablers, eh? I don't care that you're not trusting of this human rights group. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #88

Those 3 videos show clear evidence of human shielding.... shira Sep 2014 #90

Then send them along to B'tselem right now..don't wait. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #93

Sad how u hold B'tselem up as a model when they're enablers of Hamas war crimes. n/t shira Sep 2014 #95

Does this mean you won't be sending your remarkable evidence to B'Tselem? Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #96

These are crimes against the Palestinian people committed by Hamas.... shira Sep 2014 #97

No one could possibly be a match to your devotion to the Palestinians, shira. Anyone who even Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #98

I don't claim to be a champion of Palestinian human rights.... shira Sep 2014 #100

You're walking it back? Tsk,tsk and you're so good at it. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #101

This argument would make a great Venn Diagram. gordianot Sep 2014 #27

Then Zionism is racist Larkspur Sep 2014 #29

Nope, at the heart of Zionism is an indigenous people returning.... shira Sep 2014 #32

Historic homeland. LOL. I thought even the crazies had given up on that excuse. DanTex Sep 2014 #33

The Jews are indigenous to Israel.... shira Sep 2014 #37

Palestinians are indigenous to the land that is Israel and Palestine. DanTex Sep 2014 #42

You're right about religion and folklore not making for territorial claims BUT.... shira Sep 2014 #46

The connection to the land is based on religion and folklore. DanTex Sep 2014 #48

Judaism is an ethnicity and nation as well as just a religion... shira Sep 2014 #49

That's all well and good, but they aren't the native people of the land if I/P. DanTex Sep 2014 #50

Of course they are. Look up the definition of indigenous.... shira Sep 2014 #51

Of course they aren't. They only started moving there 100-150 years ago. DanTex Sep 2014 #52

Again, look up the definition of indigenous. You're wrong. n/t shira Sep 2014 #53

No, you're wrong. Gee, this is fun! DanTex Sep 2014 #55

Sigh. Here's a working definition from the UN by Jose R. Martinez Cobo.... shira Sep 2014 #56

Exactly. The indigineous people are those that were there prior to the Zionist colonization. DanTex Sep 2014 #58

Nope, it goes for Jews there prior to Roman/Arab/Ottoman/British colonization.... shira Sep 2014 #62

The link between European Jews and Israel is based on folklore and religion. DanTex Sep 2014 #64

That's just an ignorant statement. The link is based.... shira Sep 2014 #66

It's a truthful statement. It's based on folklore and religion. DanTex Sep 2014 #70

Don't let the facts confuse you. When shown a legit definition of "indigenous".... shira Sep 2014 #73

The facts are not confusing at all. There is an indigenous population: the Palestinians. DanTex Sep 2014 #74

So quick question. According to the definition of indigenous.... shira Sep 2014 #75

European Jews do not. They are indigenous to Europe. DanTex Sep 2014 #76

They are ALSO indigenous to Israel according to the definition shira Sep 2014 #77

No, they aren't. DanTex Sep 2014 #78

They are according to the very definition of indigenous peoples.... shira Sep 2014 #79

If Jews are indigenous, then Christians are as well, and so on, and the whole concept loses meaning. DanTex Sep 2014 #80

You have a problem seeing Jews as a people or ethnicity. shira Sep 2014 #84

Again, no I don't. They are a people, just not indigenous to I/P. DanTex Sep 2014 #87

I didn't claim indigenous people must be an ethnicity.... shira Sep 2014 #89

Actually, neither Christians nor Jews meet the criteria for being indigenous. DanTex Sep 2014 #91

No, you just do not accept the common definition of indigenous peoples... shira Sep 2014 #94

I'm accepting the definition you gave. It's not that complicated. DanTex Sep 2014 #102

If you actually read the definition, none of us could be considered indigenous.... shira Sep 2014 #104

Speak for yourself. I am very close to my African ancestors from 80,000 years ago! DanTex Sep 2014 #105

I guess so. bravenak Sep 2014 #134

Except they don't. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #136

Stop making sense! DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #140

There's a recent study on Ashkenasi ancestry I just posted... shira Sep 2014 #141

No, they really don't. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #143

You really need to soak in the working definition of indigenous peoples.... shira Sep 2014 #146

Did this person mention Jews as an example of an indigenous people? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #148

Would it matter? Really? n/t shira Sep 2014 #153

Yes, in fact, it would Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #156

So if Martinez-Cobo says Jews are indigenous, you'd agree? n/t shira Sep 2014 #159

Of course it matters. If you want to claim that the study concludes that Jews are indigenous, DanTex Sep 2014 #158

So Jews are indigenous if Martinez-Cobo says so, correct? n/t shira Sep 2014 #160

One is pretty sure that he doesn't. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #161

So it wouldn't make a difference to u if he said so. Thanks. n/t shira Sep 2014 #169

Jews are not indigenous, and also Martinez Cobo (evidently) doesn't say so. DanTex Sep 2014 #162

Like I thought, it wouldn't matter if Martinez-Cobo said so. n/t shira Sep 2014 #168

Actually it would. If he did, then your claim that he supports your story wouldn't be false. DanTex Sep 2014 #170

Amazing how many people are very worried about accuracy of Jewish history . King_David Sep 2014 #43

LOL. Yeah, I'm sure you'd prefer if everyone just ignored the historical facts. DanTex Sep 2014 #44

12 Million Jews King_David Sep 2014 #45

I'm actually talking about the history of Palestine and the native Palestinians. DanTex Sep 2014 #47

I have King_David Sep 2014 #54

You do post a lot of OPs by right-wingers, I'll give you that. DanTex Sep 2014 #57

My views here are exactly those of official Democratic Party views King_David Sep 2014 #59

Why does Israel's legitimacy require ignoring the history of Palestine? DanTex Sep 2014 #61

You want to change the subject eh? King_David Sep 2014 #65

LOL. Run away when you can't answer the question. DanTex Sep 2014 #67

Every hear of Mizrahi Jews? Mosby Sep 2014 #69

Yes. There were a tiny number of Jews that lived in Palestine before the Zionist migration. DanTex Sep 2014 #71

Not exactly Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #108

That's a one-sided retelling of history. DanTex Sep 2014 #123

Jews started migrating to Palestine under Ottoman rule in the 19th century... shira Sep 2014 #126

LOL. Ignorance is bliss. DanTex Sep 2014 #128

Yes, in your version of history the Jews went to Ottoman ruled Palestine.... shira Sep 2014 #129

Huh? I think you're responding the the wrong post. DanTex Sep 2014 #130

European born Jews are not indigenous to Palestine/Israel Larkspur Sep 2014 #35

Sure they are, sharing history, culture, tradition, blood quantum, religion.... shira Sep 2014 #38

Lots here that is inaccurate. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #109

The Palestinian cause is equally about an indigenous people and its love for its homeland. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #114

No one is arguing against Palestinians having their own state.... shira Sep 2014 #127

Nobody is arguing that Jews have no right to self-determination. DanTex Sep 2014 #132

Who do you think anti-zionists are? They're the ones saying Jews have no right.... shira Sep 2014 #138

I don't even know what "anti-Zionism" really means. Zionism is a historical fait accompli. DanTex Sep 2014 #139

You didn't answer my question about Jews having common ancestry, etc... shira Sep 2014 #142

Actually, I do have ancestry going back to Africa 70,000 years ago. DanTex Sep 2014 #145

Again, look up the definition of indigenous. You don't fit the criteria WRT Africa... shira Sep 2014 #147

I have. Many times. It is crystal clear that I am an indigenous African and that all Christians DanTex Sep 2014 #149

You make a mockery out of indigenous rights. n/t shira Sep 2014 #154

Actually, you do. DanTex Sep 2014 #155

Wow you have every talking point in this post from nasty places King_David Sep 2014 #39

Irish nationalism and Scottish nationalism King_David Sep 2014 #40

Irish and Scots don't have a distinct culture or language? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #190

So they have a distinct language you tell me King_David Sep 2014 #191

You should look up "civic nationalism" Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #192

Minorities make up around 2% of the Scottish population King_David Sep 2014 #193

Zionism is not "far more diverse". Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #194

They all homogenous white -2% and Irish even less King_David Sep 2014 #195

75% Jewish of whom 50% are Mizrahim and 47% are Sephardim and Ashkenazim. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #196

Irish and Scottish Nationalism are definitly racial and ethnic nationalism. King_David Sep 2014 #197

Which explains those Pakistani Scots Nationalists, I guess. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #198

Well they do King_David Sep 2014 #199

Did you not even read the article I linked? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #200

I'm pretty sure Aerows Sep 2014 #41

I find it truly odd that anonymous posters on an Internet board... Cary Sep 2014 #63

Well Aerows Sep 2014 #103

Nonsense. DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #81

Not supporting the Israeli government is not anti Zionist King_David Sep 2014 #82

And yet I am anti-Zionist. And Jewish. DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #85

Those Natureu Karta Jews King_David Sep 2014 #106

Policies of Israel expansion King_David Sep 2014 #107

you should stay and post more .... Israeli Sep 2014 #111

Thanks, I might just. DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #117

Up to you ... Israeli Sep 2014 #121

I absolutely agree with you about the need to open the dialogue up. DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #133

I hear you ... Israeli Sep 2014 #137

It's rather unfair to tie that headline to the section of the story you led with. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #112

What do you make of critics of Israel.... shira Sep 2014 #144

Hamas isn't the point. "Crushing Hamas" wouldn't end the conflict(and isn't possible). Ken Burch Sep 2014 #151

It doesn't matter what western friends of Hamas fascists think of Israel.... shira Sep 2014 #164

Nobody is a friend of Hamas and you know it. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #165

Then what do you call folks who defend, ignore, deny, or explain away..... shira Sep 2014 #167

Absolute and complete garbage intaglio Sep 2014 #152

Who cares what those bigoted hateful homophobic backward people think ? King_David Sep 2014 #173

The OP claims that all anti-Zionists are anti-Semitic intaglio Sep 2014 #174

Neturei Karta are definitely anti-semitic oberliner Sep 2014 #175

R-i-i-i-ght, you do realise you are just redefining words? intaglio Sep 2014 #176

Absolutely not - they are thoroughly anti-semitic oberliner Sep 2014 #184

Have you heard what some white Americans say about non-white Americans? intaglio Sep 2014 #185

They're beyond the pale. Here's some of the latest... shira Sep 2014 #186

Being "beyond the pale" still does not make them anti-Semitic intaglio Sep 2014 #188

This is a really interesting discussion oberliner Sep 2014 #187

See my post 188 intaglio Sep 2014 #189

No that's not what I said King_David Sep 2014 #177

You said the following intaglio Sep 2014 #178

Actually the new bill doesn't exempt them from military setvice . King_David Sep 2014 #179

As long as they are "bona fide" students at a recognised Yeshiva they are still exempt intaglio Sep 2014 #182

a bunch of spurious comparisons. Of course this creep doesn't mention cali Sep 2014 #180

Oh, shit! What to do? If I am anti-Zionism, then according to you I'm a rateyes Sep 2014 #183