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In reply to the discussion: The Lancet’s indefensible defense of antisemitic David Duke promoters [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)135. You're ignoring the sentences that aren't bolded.
Although I'm glad you brought this excerpt up, because it once again disproves your repeated claims that Amnesty ignores evidence to try and paint Hamas in a good light.
Let's check out the non-bolded sentences:
However, these calls may have been motivated by a desire to minimize panic and displacement, in any case, such statements are not the same as directing specific civilians to remain in their homes as human shields for fighters, munitions, or military equipment.
This is obviously true -- the intent of the calls matters. These events may have constituted intentional human shielding, or they may have been trying to minimize panic and displacement.
And now the more important sentence:
Under international humanitarian law even if human shields are being used Israels obligations to protect these civilians would still APPLY.
This is also obviously true. Even if this were human shielding, it doesn't change Israel's obligations to protect civilians. This is the part you have a the biggest problem with, because your whole goal here is to absolve Israel of the responsibility for the civilians they kill. As Amnesty and others documented extensively, Israel has systematically committed war crimes, and the "human shield" question doesn't change that.
Also, your ideological counterparts on the anti-Israeli side would have the same problem with Amnesty's meticulous and fact-based approach to drawing conclusions. To them, it is "obvious" that Israel just wants to commit genocide. But Amnesty won't give them what they want either.
That's what makes groups like Amnesty so important. They ignore the screaming extremists on either side and focus on the facts.
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and here folk is the proof an unsigned letter on generic stock paper that could have been typed by
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#3
once again I'm pointing to the fallacy because the Duke video has been up since 2/1/2013
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#12
How is pointing out an incongruous fact denial? seems someones deflecting from that n/t
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#15
The real deal-demonize the Lancet by any means necessary re:An open letter for the people in Gaza
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#43
changes nothing the video has been on youtube intact as it is today since February 1 2013
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#10
Hmmm. The CPO of a pro-fascist hyperpartisan "NGO" tied tightly to the Israeli government...
Scootaloo
Sep 2014
#17
As long as it is clear that anti-Zionism does not automatically imply anti-Semitism
intaglio
Sep 2014
#41
Why is it bad? Because it is Wikipedia and subject editing by those with an agenda to sell
intaglio
Sep 2014
#137
Basically you have not formulated the concept of nation beyond "Culture" and "Ethnicity"
intaglio
Sep 2014
#147
The word "nation" as traditionally used (as least in my experience) refers to people living in
DanTex
Sep 2014
#72
KD's argument was that "if Jews want to call themselves a nation, noone can tell them different".
DanTex
Sep 2014
#133
Well, basically I think the question of whether Jews are a "nation" is academic.
DanTex
Sep 2014
#141
Italians - Piedmontese, Venetians, Sicillians, Slavs, Arabs, Jews and Austo-Bavarians
intaglio
Sep 2014
#101
I did not "critique" Judaism - I responded to an article claiming the Jews were a nation
intaglio
Sep 2014
#111
Take it to the religious group or the Jewish group where I'm sure they will treat it
King_David
Sep 2014
#123
Please do not tell me what I said, I just pointed out there were more signatories than just 2
intaglio
Sep 2014
#218
Wow. Smearing the victims of the Breivik shooting. This keeps getting more, umm, interesting.
DanTex
Sep 2014
#39
I'm not sure what that has to do with smearing a bunch of teens who were murdered.
DanTex
Sep 2014
#78
I don't know or care what they were doing beyond the fact that they were teens at a camp.
DanTex
Sep 2014
#86
Not upset. I'm shocked that you and Glenn Beck would smear innocent shooting victims
DanTex
Sep 2014
#89
Of course you are. You are calling innocent shooting victors terrorist enablers.
DanTex
Sep 2014
#91
It's a false statement and it is obviously a smear. "Pro-terrorist" is a smear, period.
DanTex
Sep 2014
#107
People not blinded by hatred are able to discuss contentious issues like I/P without resorting
DanTex
Sep 2014
#160
I said it's at best a difference of opinion. That's being generous. It's actually false.
DanTex
Sep 2014
#187
You're dodging the question. Why not stick to non-right-wing sources if it is really true
DanTex
Sep 2014
#173
Again, they're not ignoring anything. They have reported Hamas using populated areas for
DanTex
Sep 2014
#172
Well I haven't seen it, and I tried "doing my homework" by searching and came up dry.
DanTex
Oct 2014
#225
OK, maybe it's accurate. SPLC is still basing its article on the right-wing Telegraph's report.
DanTex
Sep 2014
#159
The group who's camp where the massacre happened is the youth wing of Norway's Labour Party
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#108
" we really do need to make a sticky with some of her more memorable posts. "....
Israeli
Sep 2014
#112
I think it's great a past-zionist like yourself votes for a zionist party like meretz
shira
Sep 2014
#114
Words of the anthem were replaced with words that celebrated human rights..... +1.
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#143
Most Americans will not ever be exposed to interviews like that through our mainstream media.
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#149
You posted an attack on Shapira from a blog that states, Don't Divide Jerusalem.
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#175
The use of "spelt" as a verb is correct. Spelt, the species of wheat is a noun. eom
grossproffit
Sep 2014
#34
Notice this is an attempt to demonize the Lancet for it's scathing criticism of IDF actions in Gaza
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#46
It's legit criticism. What's next for Lancet, publishing David Duke open letters? n/t
shira
Sep 2014
#51
just a tad hyperbolic wouldn't you say? the letter concerned the welfare and health of the people of
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#55
perhaps neither Ang nor Maduca consider this kerfuffle worthy of notice or denial
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#63
so tell me exactly what BS have I made up? any facts have been accounted for such as
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#92
Interesting detail Ang Swee was in Israeli custody around the time the alleged email was sent
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#222
The Stand for Peace link she added above is directly associated with Gatestone Institute top members
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#223
Yea, and in post#195, where the claim Ang justified suicide bombers is a lie.
Jefferson23
Oct 2014
#226