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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
135. You're ignoring the sentences that aren't bolded.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 08:47 AM
Sep 2014

Although I'm glad you brought this excerpt up, because it once again disproves your repeated claims that Amnesty ignores evidence to try and paint Hamas in a good light.

Let's check out the non-bolded sentences:

However, these calls may have been motivated by a desire to minimize panic and displacement, in any case, such statements are not the same as directing specific civilians to remain in their homes as “human shields” for fighters, munitions, or military equipment.

This is obviously true -- the intent of the calls matters. These events may have constituted intentional human shielding, or they may have been trying to minimize panic and displacement.

And now the more important sentence:
Under international humanitarian law even if “human shields” are being used Israel’s obligations to protect these civilians would still APPLY.

This is also obviously true. Even if this were human shielding, it doesn't change Israel's obligations to protect civilians. This is the part you have a the biggest problem with, because your whole goal here is to absolve Israel of the responsibility for the civilians they kill. As Amnesty and others documented extensively, Israel has systematically committed war crimes, and the "human shield" question doesn't change that.

Also, your ideological counterparts on the anti-Israeli side would have the same problem with Amnesty's meticulous and fact-based approach to drawing conclusions. To them, it is "obvious" that Israel just wants to commit genocide. But Amnesty won't give them what they want either.

That's what makes groups like Amnesty so important. They ignore the screaming extremists on either side and focus on the facts.

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Here is another link still_one Sep 2014 #1
yes that's already posted here too, funny you didn't notice azurnoir Sep 2014 #2
didn't see it, thanks still_one Sep 2014 #5
and here folk is the proof an unsigned letter on generic stock paper that could have been typed by azurnoir Sep 2014 #3
What are you trying to defend? n/t shira Sep 2014 #4
Defend? nice try but epic fail I'm pointing out fallacy period azurnoir Sep 2014 #8
There is no fallacy. Manduca doesn't deny it, neither does Dr. Ang... shira Sep 2014 #11
once again I'm pointing to the fallacy because the Duke video has been up since 2/1/2013 azurnoir Sep 2014 #12
So what? No one but yourself is denying anything. n/t shira Sep 2014 #13
How is pointing out an incongruous fact denial? seems someones deflecting from that n/t azurnoir Sep 2014 #15
Manduca and Ang do not deny any of the allegations, but you do. n/t shira Sep 2014 #20
The real deal-demonize the Lancet by any means necessary re:An open letter for the people in Gaza azurnoir Sep 2014 #43
See #57. What the Lancet is doing is indefensible. n/t shira Sep 2014 #58
except that isn't what happened in this case still_one Sep 2014 #6
changes nothing the video has been on youtube intact as it is today since February 1 2013 azurnoir Sep 2014 #10
Yes it's disgusting , King_David Sep 2014 #7
BDS against the Lancet? well I'm sure the Lancet will cease to exist NOT azurnoir Sep 2014 #9
I don't subscribe to David Dukes newsletters either King_David Sep 2014 #14
You sure do post a lot of material from them, though Scootaloo Sep 2014 #16
Really ? King_David Sep 2014 #18
LOL. Like you were ever a subscriber to Lancet. DanTex Sep 2014 #19
Hes lived in greenland, australia, israel, sweden, holland shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #22
LOL King_David Sep 2014 #26
LOL indeed. It's spelled "capitalized" not "capatilized". DanTex Sep 2014 #44
Yes SIR. King_David Sep 2014 #45
He doesn't always drink beer. But when he does...he prefers Dos Equis. DanTex Sep 2014 #31
That's such a funny post of yours King_David Sep 2014 #25
Hmmm. The CPO of a pro-fascist hyperpartisan "NGO" tied tightly to the Israeli government... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #17
Sigh... All people who disagree with Scootaloo are racists & fascists. shira Sep 2014 #21
and according to you all people who are anti-Zionist are anti-Semitic intaglio Sep 2014 #28
A lot of people who are AntiZionist King_David Sep 2014 #29
As long as it is clear that anti-Zionism does not automatically imply anti-Semitism intaglio Sep 2014 #41
Not all, but almost all. Well over 90%. n/t shira Sep 2014 #35
As long as you're making up numbers, why not go with 150%? DanTex Sep 2014 #40
Well, I could go with your sources that deny/ignore/fabricate facts. n/t shira Sep 2014 #52
As DanTex says that figure is cloacally extracted n/t intaglio Sep 2014 #42
Well let's test my opinion, shall we? What % of anti-zios....... shira Sep 2014 #54
The Jews are not currently a nation - as you are well aware intaglio Sep 2014 #66
News to me. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #68
How do you define a "nation"? intaglio Sep 2014 #69
Good post. These have also been my questions regarding the "nation" issue. DanTex Sep 2014 #73
You are confusing... Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #126
Wikipedia is particularly poor regarding this sort of question intaglio Sep 2014 #128
Is it particularly bad?? Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #131
Why is it bad? Because it is Wikipedia and subject editing by those with an agenda to sell intaglio Sep 2014 #137
Is it? Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #144
Basically you have not formulated the concept of nation beyond "Culture" and "Ethnicity" intaglio Sep 2014 #147
Don't balm you for leaving, it's hard to argue against that. nt King_David Sep 2014 #157
Uh huh Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #182
I classify them either as a loose cultural group intaglio Sep 2014 #185
The word "nation" as traditionally used (as least in my experience) refers to people living in DanTex Sep 2014 #72
The while posts a lot of rubbish , King_David Sep 2014 #70
Define "nation" intaglio Sep 2014 #71
No definition necessary King_David Sep 2014 #75
I actually agree with you for once. DanTex Sep 2014 #76
Yep agree too King_David Sep 2014 #81
You're saying two different things. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #127
KD's argument was that "if Jews want to call themselves a nation, noone can tell them different". DanTex Sep 2014 #133
A territorial claim? Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #140
Well, basically I think the question of whether Jews are a "nation" is academic. DanTex Sep 2014 #141
Unfortunately words have meaning, you cannot just declare, with no basis, intaglio Sep 2014 #84
None of what you wrote there has any bearing on King_David Sep 2014 #87
Italians - Piedmontese, Venetians, Sicillians, Slavs, Arabs, Jews and Austo-Bavarians intaglio Sep 2014 #101
It really bothers you King_David Sep 2014 #102
Even those Jews who do not agree with you? n/t intaglio Sep 2014 #138
Really? Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #132
Difficulty, the nation state is a newish concept intaglio Sep 2014 #139
I'm sorry. This is not correct. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #142
Revolutionary France one of the earliest self described nation states intaglio Sep 2014 #146
Start here... shira Sep 2014 #95
Thank you, Miller's 5 characteristics are what I asked for. Now ... intaglio Sep 2014 #105
You really need take these posts to the religious group King_David Sep 2014 #106
Dr Lebens inserted religion into the mix intaglio Sep 2014 #109
Your "critique" of Judaism religion has no place in IP King_David Sep 2014 #110
I did not "critique" Judaism - I responded to an article claiming the Jews were a nation intaglio Sep 2014 #111
Take it to the religious group or the Jewish group where I'm sure they will treat it King_David Sep 2014 #123
Explain how I have "critiqued" Jewish religion? intaglio Sep 2014 #125
Back to the Lancet open letter.... shira Sep 2014 #191
Exactly as warranted as Israeli occupation of the Palestinian homeland intaglio Sep 2014 #199
Look at the links at the bottom of the page about Drs. Ang & Gilbert shira Sep 2014 #204
How many authors in total intaglio Sep 2014 #209
5 total authors. So? shira Sep 2014 #211
Please do not tell me what I said, I just pointed out there were more signatories than just 2 intaglio Sep 2014 #218
So it's not enuff to show how depraved 3 of 5 authors are... shira Sep 2014 #219
Intaglio, were the Jews a people/nation.... shira Sep 2014 #183
The Jews were a group of peoples or tribes intaglio Sep 2014 #200
They were a nation back in the 1st and 2nd commonwealths, correct? n/t shira Sep 2014 #205
I have just answered that question intaglio Sep 2014 #210
Only the ones who are racists and fascists. As "NGO monitor" is. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #153
2 of the 5 authors of the open letter are w/o question racists & fascists.... shira Sep 2014 #155
Actually there's plenty of question about that. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #156
No there's not, but yr enthusastic support of this gutter trash is noted. n/t shira Sep 2014 #164
she also considers israel guilty of ethnic cleansing shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #23
oh and she thinks that the victims of anders breivik had it coming shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #24
Never said they had it coming. n/t shira Sep 2014 #37
Wow. Smearing the victims of the Breivik shooting. This keeps getting more, umm, interesting. DanTex Sep 2014 #39
Not at all. Google the discussion if you'd like. n/t shira Sep 2014 #50
Yes at all. I did. DanTex Sep 2014 #53
What did u find? Prove your accusation. n/t shira Sep 2014 #56
OK. You were defending this mind-bogglingly twisted article DanTex Sep 2014 #61
You missed the point of the entire article - probably deliberately shira Sep 2014 #64
Oh, I understood the article. DanTex Sep 2014 #74
The problem was with the Norwegian ambassador dehumanizing Israelis.... shira Sep 2014 #77
I'm not sure what that has to do with smearing a bunch of teens who were murdered. DanTex Sep 2014 #78
They weren't smeared. The 3 Israeli kids were definitely smeared.... shira Sep 2014 #79
Calling people terrorist sympathizers is smearing them. Period. DanTex Sep 2014 #80
What were they doing on Utoya Island? n/t shira Sep 2014 #82
"What was she wearing? I'm not saying she was asking to be raped, but..." DanTex Sep 2014 #83
Be more specific. A political camp for liberal teens is nice.... shira Sep 2014 #85
I don't know or care what they were doing beyond the fact that they were teens at a camp. DanTex Sep 2014 #86
So you're upset about something you either know nothing about.... shira Sep 2014 #88
Not upset. I'm shocked that you and Glenn Beck would smear innocent shooting victims DanTex Sep 2014 #89
I'm not smearing anyone, but do u notice how you always.... shira Sep 2014 #90
Of course you are. You are calling innocent shooting victors terrorist enablers. DanTex Sep 2014 #91
Where did I call them that? n/t shira Sep 2014 #93
In that thread I linked to. DanTex Sep 2014 #94
So I never called them that. Further.... shira Sep 2014 #96
Yes, you did, and so did the author. DanTex Sep 2014 #97
No, I didn't. But go ahead and try proving it... shira Sep 2014 #98
"The youth camp he attacked was engaged in what was essentially... DanTex Sep 2014 #99
That's a true statement but it's not an attack on the youth... shira Sep 2014 #104
It's a false statement and it is obviously a smear. "Pro-terrorist" is a smear, period. DanTex Sep 2014 #107
We'll have to agree to disagree about the smear.... shira Sep 2014 #113
We'll probably have to agree to disagree about a lot of things. DanTex Sep 2014 #118
See, there you go again making shit up... shira Sep 2014 #119
Sorry, but "pro-terrorist" is a direct quote. You're not getting away from it. DanTex Sep 2014 #134
He said the youth were engaged in a pro-terrorist program.... shira Sep 2014 #150
People not blinded by hatred are able to discuss contentious issues like I/P without resorting DanTex Sep 2014 #160
You missed the entire point of that OP about reverse Stockholm Syndrome shira Sep 2014 #167
Then why smear the teens? Just as a side bonus? DanTex Sep 2014 #169
Is it a smear if it's true? How should someone report this..... shira Sep 2014 #171
Of course it's a smear. It's not "true", at best it's a difference of opinion. DanTex Sep 2014 #174
It's not merely a difference of opinion.... shira Sep 2014 #186
I said it's at best a difference of opinion. That's being generous. It's actually false. DanTex Sep 2014 #187
It's not false when you realize what Hamas is all about.... shira Sep 2014 #189
What matters here is what "pro-terror" means. DanTex Sep 2014 #196
The organization was "essentially pro-terror", not the teens... shira Sep 2014 #201
So do you have a competing definition of "pro-"? DanTex Sep 2014 #206
The program was "essentially pro-terror" shira Sep 2014 #212
So you don't have a competing definition of "pro-". DanTex Sep 2014 #217
If you cannot acknowledge how at least 2 of the 5 authors.... shira Sep 2014 #220
The two groups of people are totally unrelated (obviously). DanTex Oct 2014 #227
You didn't respond to my no-right-wing-sources challenge. DanTex Sep 2014 #162
If the SPLC can link to "rightwing sources" and go with it.... shira Sep 2014 #170
You're dodging the question. Why not stick to non-right-wing sources if it is really true DanTex Sep 2014 #173
Dan, here's an Amnesty quote about Hamas we can rationally discuss.... shira Sep 2014 #120
You're ignoring the sentences that aren't bolded. DanTex Sep 2014 #135
You didn't answer whether what's in bold was the def'n of human shields.... shira Sep 2014 #151
Sure, that's an adequate definition. There are also others, as we've seen. DanTex Sep 2014 #161
I agree it's adequate but it goes to show how HRW and Amnesty.... shira Sep 2014 #168
Again, they're not ignoring anything. They have reported Hamas using populated areas for DanTex Sep 2014 #172
Fine, they're denying human-shielding that even you acknowledge... shira Sep 2014 #184
Nope. They're not denying human shields. DanTex Sep 2014 #188
You're convinced by evidence that Amnesty has available to them.... shira Sep 2014 #190
Do you not understand about different standards of proof? DanTex Sep 2014 #197
Do you? shira Sep 2014 #202
Of course. That's why I understand that my standards differ from Amnesty's. DanTex Sep 2014 #208
Amnesty has accused Israel of ethnic cleansing and apartheid.... shira Sep 2014 #213
Really? I haven't seen that from them. DanTex Sep 2014 #215
Then do your homework, b/c they did. shira Sep 2014 #221
Well I haven't seen it, and I tried "doing my homework" by searching and came up dry. DanTex Oct 2014 #225
Speaking of rightwing, let's not forget the Lancet and David Duke.... shira Sep 2014 #122
I can only speak for myself. I'm both pro-Palestine and pro-Israel. DanTex Sep 2014 #136
Here's the SPLC reporting on it... shira Sep 2014 #152
OK, maybe it's accurate. SPLC is still basing its article on the right-wing Telegraph's report. DanTex Sep 2014 #159
Excellent... shira Sep 2014 #165
Let's see if u agree the Lancet Open Letter supports terror shira Sep 2014 #194
I think it's dishonest, but I'm not sure I'd say that it "supports terror". DanTex Sep 2014 #198
Seriously? Look below to the links about Swee Ang and Mads Gilbert.... shira Sep 2014 #203
You asked me about those two sentences, and I answered. DanTex Sep 2014 #207
It's obvious the letter is pro-terror written by pro-terror people.... shira Sep 2014 #214
You're mashing a whole lot of things together. DanTex Sep 2014 #216
They were at a Workers Youth League summer camp on Utoya Island azurnoir Sep 2014 #100
69 whosinpower1 Sep 2014 #103
The group who's camp where the massacre happened is the youth wing of Norway's Labour Party azurnoir Sep 2014 #108
I stand corrected whosinpower1 Sep 2014 #115
" we really do need to make a sticky with some of her more memorable posts. ".... Israeli Sep 2014 #112
I think it's great a past-zionist like yourself votes for a zionist party like meretz shira Sep 2014 #114
Indeed? More from that very speech whosinpower1 Sep 2014 #116
Its post zionist shira ... Israeli Sep 2014 #117
So since Rabin was killed, you went way further left - correct? shira Sep 2014 #121
Correct on both counts shira ... Israeli Sep 2014 #129
Rabins views were Zionist King_David Sep 2014 #124
Rabin's views got him ... Israeli Sep 2014 #130
Words of the anthem were replaced with words that celebrated human rights..... +1. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #143
Glad you like it Jefferson23.... Israeli Sep 2014 #148
Most Americans will not ever be exposed to interviews like that through our mainstream media. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #149
That is a shame .... Israeli Sep 2014 #154
I doubt this will ever be part of any discussion on our msm. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #158
No, it shouldn't be any part of a rational discussion.... shira Sep 2014 #163
You posted an attack on Shapira from a blog that states, Don't Divide Jerusalem. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #175
leave it be Jefferson ... Israeli Sep 2014 #177
Yep. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #179
Thanks that we have here then Jefferson23..... Israeli Sep 2014 #176
Yes, and your input is very much appreciated here. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #178
By some maybe .... Israeli Sep 2014 #180
Yea, well, there are a few who don't...pay no mind to them. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #181
From your link : King_David Sep 2014 #145
Well what about force resettlement of indiginous groups intaglio Sep 2014 #27
Israel King_David Sep 2014 #30
#1 grossproffit Sep 2014 #32
Shanah Tova King_David Sep 2014 #48
Grammar police with "spelt"? whosinpower1 Sep 2014 #33
The use of "spelt" as a verb is correct. Spelt, the species of wheat is a noun. eom grossproffit Sep 2014 #34
Not from my schooling. whosinpower1 Sep 2014 #38
Exactly right King_David Sep 2014 #47
Touche' whosinpower1 Sep 2014 #49
Not sure I said "guilty". I agreed with the expulsion... shira Sep 2014 #36
Notice this is an attempt to demonize the Lancet for it's scathing criticism of IDF actions in Gaza azurnoir Sep 2014 #46
It's legit criticism. What's next for Lancet, publishing David Duke open letters? n/t shira Sep 2014 #51
just a tad hyperbolic wouldn't you say? the letter concerned the welfare and health of the people of azurnoir Sep 2014 #55
No. Ang & Manduca drink the D.Duke Kool-Aid... shira Sep 2014 #57
there have been over 20,000 signatories to the letter azurnoir Sep 2014 #59
Yeah, they should all be ashamed. And you're still defending.... shira Sep 2014 #62
perhaps neither Ang nor Maduca consider this kerfuffle worthy of notice or denial azurnoir Sep 2014 #63
Then let them say that, rather than u making up BS to defend them. n/t shira Sep 2014 #65
well why doesn't 'someone' maybe you send them a strongly worded email? azurnoir Sep 2014 #67
so tell me exactly what BS have I made up? any facts have been accounted for such as azurnoir Sep 2014 #92
here again an excerpt from-"An open letter for the people in Gaza" azurnoir Sep 2014 #60
? Harry_Scrote Sep 2014 #166
Dr. Mads Gilbert is one of 5 authors of the open letter.... shira Sep 2014 #192
Mads Gilbert openly supporting Hamas terror against Israel this summer... shira Sep 2014 #193
Swee Ang (1 of 5 authors) justified suicide bombing.... shira Sep 2014 #195
Interesting detail Ang Swee was in Israeli custody around the time the alleged email was sent azurnoir Sep 2014 #222
The Stand for Peace link she added above is directly associated with Gatestone Institute top members Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #223
another article on that site entitled:Adnan Oktar and the Islamist sex cult azurnoir Oct 2014 #224
Yea, and in post#195, where the claim Ang justified suicide bombers is a lie. Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #226
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