Israel/Palestine

shira

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65. He could have said "Yes, we are definitely investigating Hamas...

Wed Oct 1, 2014, 06:36 PM

Oct 2014

....as thoroughly as we will investigate Israel". How could he NOT know the answer to such a simple question? The answer was 'NO'.

A commission doing an inquiry only on Israel while absolving Hamas of all blame has no credibility. Only the unhinged would stick to their guns defending such a pro-fascist inquiry while accusing others of being against any and all criticism.

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Israel is arguably the most self-critical nation on earth. This is a strength of theirs that leads to such a tiny nation making such big strides (in all fields) in such a short time period. I'm against demonization of Israel, not reasonable criticism of Israel. The UN makes a mockery of human rights and you know it. And THAT is legit criticism. Of course you don't think that's reasonable at all....

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Exclusive: Schabas’ own colleague, human rights icon Aryeh Neier, calls for him to quit UN Gaza prob [View all] shira Oct 2014 OP

Of course, Schabas is not a judge in this instance, so the analogy falls down Scootaloo Oct 2014 #1

Oh please , King_David Oct 2014 #3

You must have a short memory Scootaloo Oct 2014 #4

What rubbish, King_David Oct 2014 #5

Interesting Dave. Nothing you say here is true. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #6

He retracted the main conclusion... shira Oct 2014 #7

This is one hell of a mess of nonsense, to say the least. Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #9

Great rebuttal, not. n/t shira Oct 2014 #13

Oh no, this one of yours is one for the books...no worries. I suspect there will be much more to Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #16

Goldstone did retract his report King_David Oct 2014 #18

I'm well aware of what he recanted, thanks. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #41

I'm sure you can't wait for those future reports that will absolve Hamas..... shira Oct 2014 #31

I have not read them, not possible since they're not completed nor published. Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #43

Schabas recently said he didn't know whether he'd be investigating Hamas war crimes.... shira Oct 2014 #46

No, I don't. He said: Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #53

He could have said "Yes, we are definitely investigating Hamas... shira Oct 2014 #65

Must be because he hates Israel. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #66

How difficult would it be for you.... shira Oct 2014 #67

The irony of this post...you have no idea, do you? n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #68

Another deflection. n/t shira Oct 2014 #70

There was no "main conclusion," Shira Scootaloo Oct 2014 #10

Sure there was. Deny it all you wish. And your personal attacks are stale. shira Oct 2014 #12

Damn right I'll deny it, 'cause I'm aware of the reality Scootaloo Oct 2014 #14

That's right, Goldstone said "...the CONCLUSION would have been different". shira Oct 2014 #19

He's speaking of one particular conclusion, Shira Scootaloo Oct 2014 #22

Does it make you proud as a human rights advocate..... shira Oct 2014 #25

The team was charged with investigating possible war crimes in Gaza. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #29

Aww, playing coy? Goldstone had to practically beg the UN.... shira Oct 2014 #35

Could you source such claims about Goldstone? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #56

Here's wiki... shira Oct 2014 #74

Thanks Scootaloo Oct 2014 #78

That quote doesn't appear in his WaPo article. Did he say that somewhere else? DanTex Oct 2014 #37

Yes, Israel's McCarthy-style smear campaign was successful in that instance. DanTex Oct 2014 #34

LOL. shira Oct 2014 #36

Goldstone was subjected to a campaign of personal destruction. DanTex Oct 2014 #38

A commission tasked w/investigating only Israel and not Hamas..... shira Oct 2014 #39

Again, nobody serious thinks human rights groups are covering for Hamas. DanTex Oct 2014 #42

Uh huh. That's why the UNHRC originally decided not to investigate Hamas.... shira Oct 2014 #44

The Goldstone commission investigated both, agreed? DanTex Oct 2014 #48

Schabas recently said he didn't know whether he'd be investigating Hamas war crimes.... shira Oct 2014 #50

So you're saying that for PR reasons, he should investigate Hamas also. DanTex Oct 2014 #61

Not for PR, but ethics requires it.... shira Oct 2014 #69

The actual truth about Goldstones so called 'retraction' azurnoir Oct 2014 #92

Again with you it's all about Jews ... King_David Oct 2014 #8

More accurately, it's about the targeting of Jews by people like you, Dave Scootaloo Oct 2014 #11

No idea who Kenneth or Meshoe or Australian is, King_David Oct 2014 #15

See what I mean? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #17

"people like you, Dave" King_David Oct 2014 #20

Still waiting on the Schabas report, Dave. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Oct 2014 #26

Sorry I won't debate with those clear bias. King_David Oct 2014 #27

Schabas report, Dave? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #28

I have dealt with people like you all my life Scooraloo King_David Oct 2014 #30

People who expect you to carry through on your statemetns? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #32

Mrs. Clooney has already turned them down oberliner Oct 2014 #2

In related news, US lifts rules meant to protect civilians shira Oct 2014 #23

I expect even MORE shrieks from the "human rights community"..... shira Oct 2014 #24

Well, this is why a goo deal of us have been opposing this shit for a while Shira. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #33

Well that headline is a doozy, isn't it? Let's see how DU'ers take to it.... shira Oct 2014 #40

Do you ever even read or participate in GD? DanTex Oct 2014 #45

Find me a busy thread here on the US relaxing its standards on civilians in Iraq/Syria. n/t shira Oct 2014 #47

Is that really a big story? Who is reporting it? DanTex Oct 2014 #49

You don't think that's a big story? Why should I post it? shira Oct 2014 #51

If it were Israel, it might be posted in I/P. Or maybe it wouldn't. Who knows. DanTex Oct 2014 #52

Yeah, it's a big story. Goldstone/Schabas would be all over it.... shira Oct 2014 #55

You're free to speculate, but I doubt it. DanTex Oct 2014 #63

It is a change in the rules of engagement. From very careful to less careful.... shira Oct 2014 #71

Posted by Judy Lynn in "Good reads" Scootaloo Oct 2014 #54

Yeah, one comment. Tell me.... shira Oct 2014 #58

Given our past discussions on the subject... Scootaloo Oct 2014 #60

Nope, I'm actually against... shira Oct 2014 #64

A drop in US stadnards will bring them down to where Israel sits, currently Scootaloo Oct 2014 #76

Your ratios are wrong. Israel is once again around 1:1 but... shira Oct 2014 #77

Out of curiosity, do you trust everything the Pentagon says? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #79

No. n/t shira Oct 2014 #80

I didn't think you would Scootaloo Oct 2014 #81

The 1:1 ratio was confirmed by none other than Hamas... shira Oct 2014 #85

The 'police station' was attacked during a graduation ceremony azurnoir Oct 2014 #94

Once again, shira, police are not combatants. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #99

Sorry, but Hamas admitted it... shira Oct 2014 #100

Hamas TV right after the police were attacked in 2008... shira Oct 2014 #101

AP confirms Hamas claim too.... shira Oct 2014 #102

maybe you didn't know but not all Palestinian offcials (which is what your link says) are Hamas azurnoir Oct 2014 #103

Yea, this is exactly the reaction people have when they see a wrong perpetuated..they try and Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #57

Sorry to point out the blatant hypocrisy & double-standards shira Oct 2014 #59

You might have a point if Israeli officials ever paid a price for their human rights abuses... Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #62

I do have a point. When have US officials ever paid a price....? n/t shira Oct 2014 #72

That's not a point, the US covers for Israel...always. To you, this is kosher. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #73

Hypocrisy is the point. Crickets when it's not Israel... shira Oct 2014 #75

.You're predisposed to defend a state you claim is not your Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #82

That state means a lot to me and my fellow Jews shira Oct 2014 #86

You don't speak for all Jews, try and remember that. Your intentions are obvious through Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #87

You're right, I don't. But Israel does mean a lot to most Jews.... shira Oct 2014 #88

No person, group nor country defames Israel as well as Israeli policies do on there own and have for Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #89

Consider who the defamers are and what they're all about.... shira Oct 2014 #90

The HRW claim you made is false. Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #93

The point is that it's not just "rightwingers" opposing Schabas... shira Oct 2014 #96

liberals like Lozowick?Who tweeted The Jews will defend themselves even if it means killing children azurnoir Oct 2014 #97

You're going to hide behind US policy, because what, you'll tell me next there's no lobby? Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #98

Here is what Schabas said and in fact the same applies to Israel azurnoir Oct 2014 #95

88 Senators Urge Kerry to Shield Israel from Any Accountability at the UN Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #83

The best way to avoid this problem MFM008 Oct 2014 #84

Schabas Participated in Russell Tribunal After His Hero Goldstone Called it a Sham shira Oct 2014 #91