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In reply to the discussion: Exclusive: Schabas’ own colleague, human rights icon Aryeh Neier, calls for him to quit UN Gaza prob [View all]azurnoir
(45,850 posts)92. The actual truth about Goldstones so called 'retraction'
The South African Jewish judge headed the UN Human Rights Council's fact-finding mission on the events of Operation Cast Lead - which issued a report accusing Israel of war crimes. He is now basing his mea culpa on the final report of an independent United Nations panel of experts.
The findings of the committee headed by New York Judge Mary McGowan Davis, which tracked the implementation of the recommendations in the Goldstone report, were published last month. According to Goldstone, the McGowan Davis report findings indicate that Israel did not have an explicit policy of causing intentional harm to civilians. This is the "retraction" everyone is rejoicing over.
However, reading the final UN report reveals that the committee didn't come anywhere near that conclusion. On the contrary. The committee states repeatedly that according to the information presented to it, "Israel does not appear to have conducted a general review of doctrine regarding military targets" (i.e. Israel did not discuss at all on which targets it is legitimate to open fire and on which it is not ).
Goldstone's op-ed seems to imply that the committee of experts, as opposed to his commission, was afforded the cooperation of the Israeli authorities. It turns out this is untrue. The American judge was not treated any differently by Israel and she even complains of this in the report. She notes that because of this she had to rely solely on public government reports, which relied on human rights organizations.
The findings of the committee headed by New York Judge Mary McGowan Davis, which tracked the implementation of the recommendations in the Goldstone report, were published last month. According to Goldstone, the McGowan Davis report findings indicate that Israel did not have an explicit policy of causing intentional harm to civilians. This is the "retraction" everyone is rejoicing over.
However, reading the final UN report reveals that the committee didn't come anywhere near that conclusion. On the contrary. The committee states repeatedly that according to the information presented to it, "Israel does not appear to have conducted a general review of doctrine regarding military targets" (i.e. Israel did not discuss at all on which targets it is legitimate to open fire and on which it is not ).
Goldstone's op-ed seems to imply that the committee of experts, as opposed to his commission, was afforded the cooperation of the Israeli authorities. It turns out this is untrue. The American judge was not treated any differently by Israel and she even complains of this in the report. She notes that because of this she had to rely solely on public government reports, which relied on human rights organizations.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/what-exactly-did-goldstone-retract-from-his-report-on-gaza-1.355454
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Exclusive: Schabas’ own colleague, human rights icon Aryeh Neier, calls for him to quit UN Gaza prob [View all]
shira
Oct 2014
OP
Oh no, this one of yours is one for the books...no worries. I suspect there will be much more to
Jefferson23
Oct 2014
#16
I have not read them, not possible since they're not completed nor published.
Jefferson23
Oct 2014
#43
Schabas recently said he didn't know whether he'd be investigating Hamas war crimes....
shira
Oct 2014
#46
Schabas recently said he didn't know whether he'd be investigating Hamas war crimes....
shira
Oct 2014
#50
Well, this is why a goo deal of us have been opposing this shit for a while Shira.
Scootaloo
Oct 2014
#33
Find me a busy thread here on the US relaxing its standards on civilians in Iraq/Syria. n/t
shira
Oct 2014
#47
maybe you didn't know but not all Palestinian offcials (which is what your link says) are Hamas
azurnoir
Oct 2014
#103
Yea, this is exactly the reaction people have when they see a wrong perpetuated..they try and
Jefferson23
Oct 2014
#57
You might have a point if Israeli officials ever paid a price for their human rights abuses...
Jefferson23
Oct 2014
#62
That's not a point, the US covers for Israel...always. To you, this is kosher. n/t
Jefferson23
Oct 2014
#73
You don't speak for all Jews, try and remember that. Your intentions are obvious through
Jefferson23
Oct 2014
#87
No person, group nor country defames Israel as well as Israeli policies do on there own and have for
Jefferson23
Oct 2014
#89
liberals like Lozowick?Who tweeted The Jews will defend themselves even if it means killing children
azurnoir
Oct 2014
#97
You're going to hide behind US policy, because what, you'll tell me next there's no lobby?
Jefferson23
Oct 2014
#98