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shira

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96. The point is that it's not just "rightwingers" opposing Schabas...

Thu Oct 2, 2014, 05:48 PM

Oct 2014

There are many liberals concerned about human rights who have a problem with Schabas. I note you're silent about Schabas' mandate not mentioning Hamas. Doesn't bother you a bit, does it? And your defense of someone as loathsome as Dr. Ang is noted.

You posted this about the open letter, so I assume you're in favor of it. If you're against, why? Did you change your mind? Maybe due to Mads Gilbert being involved? He went beyond justifying terror....he explicitly supports it! Wonderful humanitarian there. Another proud moment for you.

The person who called for not dividing Jerusalem (Lozowick) is a liberal. I realize anyone not as radical as Amira Hass and Gideon Levy are rightwing to you, but that doesn't take away their liberal status. No elected Democrats in office hold your fringe views, but they're liberals.

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Exclusive: Schabas� own colleague, human rights icon Aryeh Neier, calls for him to quit UN Gaza prob [View all] shira Oct 2014 OP

Of course, Schabas is not a judge in this instance, so the analogy falls down Scootaloo Oct 2014 #1

Oh please , King_David Oct 2014 #3

You must have a short memory Scootaloo Oct 2014 #4

What rubbish, King_David Oct 2014 #5

Interesting Dave. Nothing you say here is true. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #6

He retracted the main conclusion... shira Oct 2014 #7

This is one hell of a mess of nonsense, to say the least. Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #9

Great rebuttal, not. n/t shira Oct 2014 #13

Oh no, this one of yours is one for the books...no worries. I suspect there will be much more to Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #16

Goldstone did retract his report King_David Oct 2014 #18

I'm well aware of what he recanted, thanks. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #41

I'm sure you can't wait for those future reports that will absolve Hamas..... shira Oct 2014 #31

I have not read them, not possible since they're not completed nor published. Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #43

Schabas recently said he didn't know whether he'd be investigating Hamas war crimes.... shira Oct 2014 #46

No, I don't. He said: Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #53

He could have said "Yes, we are definitely investigating Hamas... shira Oct 2014 #65

Must be because he hates Israel. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #66

How difficult would it be for you.... shira Oct 2014 #67

The irony of this post...you have no idea, do you? n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #68

Another deflection. n/t shira Oct 2014 #70

There was no "main conclusion," Shira Scootaloo Oct 2014 #10

Sure there was. Deny it all you wish. And your personal attacks are stale. shira Oct 2014 #12

Damn right I'll deny it, 'cause I'm aware of the reality Scootaloo Oct 2014 #14

That's right, Goldstone said "...the CONCLUSION would have been different". shira Oct 2014 #19

He's speaking of one particular conclusion, Shira Scootaloo Oct 2014 #22

Does it make you proud as a human rights advocate..... shira Oct 2014 #25

The team was charged with investigating possible war crimes in Gaza. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #29

Aww, playing coy? Goldstone had to practically beg the UN.... shira Oct 2014 #35

Could you source such claims about Goldstone? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #56

Here's wiki... shira Oct 2014 #74

Thanks Scootaloo Oct 2014 #78

That quote doesn't appear in his WaPo article. Did he say that somewhere else? DanTex Oct 2014 #37

Yes, Israel's McCarthy-style smear campaign was successful in that instance. DanTex Oct 2014 #34

LOL. shira Oct 2014 #36

Goldstone was subjected to a campaign of personal destruction. DanTex Oct 2014 #38

A commission tasked w/investigating only Israel and not Hamas..... shira Oct 2014 #39

Again, nobody serious thinks human rights groups are covering for Hamas. DanTex Oct 2014 #42

Uh huh. That's why the UNHRC originally decided not to investigate Hamas.... shira Oct 2014 #44

The Goldstone commission investigated both, agreed? DanTex Oct 2014 #48

Schabas recently said he didn't know whether he'd be investigating Hamas war crimes.... shira Oct 2014 #50

So you're saying that for PR reasons, he should investigate Hamas also. DanTex Oct 2014 #61

Not for PR, but ethics requires it.... shira Oct 2014 #69

The actual truth about Goldstones so called 'retraction' azurnoir Oct 2014 #92

Again with you it's all about Jews ... King_David Oct 2014 #8

More accurately, it's about the targeting of Jews by people like you, Dave Scootaloo Oct 2014 #11

No idea who Kenneth or Meshoe or Australian is, King_David Oct 2014 #15

See what I mean? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #17

"people like you, Dave" King_David Oct 2014 #20

Still waiting on the Schabas report, Dave. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Oct 2014 #26

Sorry I won't debate with those clear bias. King_David Oct 2014 #27

Schabas report, Dave? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #28

I have dealt with people like you all my life Scooraloo King_David Oct 2014 #30

People who expect you to carry through on your statemetns? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #32

Mrs. Clooney has already turned them down oberliner Oct 2014 #2

In related news, US lifts rules meant to protect civilians shira Oct 2014 #23

I expect even MORE shrieks from the "human rights community"..... shira Oct 2014 #24

Well, this is why a goo deal of us have been opposing this shit for a while Shira. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #33

Well that headline is a doozy, isn't it? Let's see how DU'ers take to it.... shira Oct 2014 #40

Do you ever even read or participate in GD? DanTex Oct 2014 #45

Find me a busy thread here on the US relaxing its standards on civilians in Iraq/Syria. n/t shira Oct 2014 #47

Is that really a big story? Who is reporting it? DanTex Oct 2014 #49

You don't think that's a big story? Why should I post it? shira Oct 2014 #51

If it were Israel, it might be posted in I/P. Or maybe it wouldn't. Who knows. DanTex Oct 2014 #52

Yeah, it's a big story. Goldstone/Schabas would be all over it.... shira Oct 2014 #55

You're free to speculate, but I doubt it. DanTex Oct 2014 #63

It is a change in the rules of engagement. From very careful to less careful.... shira Oct 2014 #71

Posted by Judy Lynn in "Good reads" Scootaloo Oct 2014 #54

Yeah, one comment. Tell me.... shira Oct 2014 #58

Given our past discussions on the subject... Scootaloo Oct 2014 #60

Nope, I'm actually against... shira Oct 2014 #64

A drop in US stadnards will bring them down to where Israel sits, currently Scootaloo Oct 2014 #76

Your ratios are wrong. Israel is once again around 1:1 but... shira Oct 2014 #77

Out of curiosity, do you trust everything the Pentagon says? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #79

No. n/t shira Oct 2014 #80

I didn't think you would Scootaloo Oct 2014 #81

The 1:1 ratio was confirmed by none other than Hamas... shira Oct 2014 #85

The 'police station' was attacked during a graduation ceremony azurnoir Oct 2014 #94

Once again, shira, police are not combatants. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #99

Sorry, but Hamas admitted it... shira Oct 2014 #100

Hamas TV right after the police were attacked in 2008... shira Oct 2014 #101

AP confirms Hamas claim too.... shira Oct 2014 #102

maybe you didn't know but not all Palestinian offcials (which is what your link says) are Hamas azurnoir Oct 2014 #103

Yea, this is exactly the reaction people have when they see a wrong perpetuated..they try and Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #57

Sorry to point out the blatant hypocrisy & double-standards shira Oct 2014 #59

You might have a point if Israeli officials ever paid a price for their human rights abuses... Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #62

I do have a point. When have US officials ever paid a price....? n/t shira Oct 2014 #72

That's not a point, the US covers for Israel...always. To you, this is kosher. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #73

Hypocrisy is the point. Crickets when it's not Israel... shira Oct 2014 #75

.You're predisposed to defend a state you claim is not your Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #82

That state means a lot to me and my fellow Jews shira Oct 2014 #86

You don't speak for all Jews, try and remember that. Your intentions are obvious through Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #87

You're right, I don't. But Israel does mean a lot to most Jews.... shira Oct 2014 #88

No person, group nor country defames Israel as well as Israeli policies do on there own and have for Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #89

Consider who the defamers are and what they're all about.... shira Oct 2014 #90

The HRW claim you made is false. Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #93

The point is that it's not just "rightwingers" opposing Schabas... shira Oct 2014 #96

liberals like Lozowick?Who tweeted The Jews will defend themselves even if it means killing children azurnoir Oct 2014 #97

You're going to hide behind US policy, because what, you'll tell me next there's no lobby? Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #98

Here is what Schabas said and in fact the same applies to Israel azurnoir Oct 2014 #95

88 Senators Urge Kerry to Shield Israel from Any Accountability at the UN Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #83

The best way to avoid this problem MFM008 Oct 2014 #84

Schabas Participated in Russell Tribunal After His Hero Goldstone Called it a Sham shira Oct 2014 #91