Israel/Palestine

DanTex

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30. Israel's numbers, right?

Thu Oct 9, 2014, 07:40 PM

Oct 2014

I think the UN had the number at 7 in 10 being civilians. I guess it depends on who counts as a terrorist -- according to some, there is no such thing as an innocent civilian in Gaza. Still, the disproportionality I'm talking about is the fact that Israel killed 2000, mostly civilians, made many more homeless, destroyed infrastructure, hospitals, etc. in response to rocket attacks that killed I think 5 people. Rocket attacks, by the way, that didn't start until Israel decided to go around arresting people in the West Bank even when they knew that the teenagers they were supposedly trying to save were already dead, and their intelligence told them that Hamas didn't actually order the kidnappings.

More to the point, the strongest case for "genocide" would not be any individual military incursion, but the overall effect of Israeli policies, starting with the nakba, then the occupation and the settlements, along with the occasional military attacks. The question is whether this rises to the level where it could be called "incremental genocide" or not.

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We Called It Genocide in Guatemala. Why Not in Gaza Too? [View all] Judi Lynn Oct 2014 OP

No kidding. I totally agree. gopiscrap Oct 2014 #1

This vulgar and random statement is beneath you elias7 Oct 2014 #9

Guatemala oberliner Oct 2014 #2

Our own corporate media was more than willing to cover it all up for US American citizens. Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #4

Thank you for adding this newfie11 Oct 2014 #8

There is no comparison oberliner Oct 2014 #34

+1 King_David Oct 2014 #36

It's not genocide because calling it genocide hurts the feelings of syndicated pundits Scootaloo Oct 2014 #3

Why not indeed? tech3149 Oct 2014 #5

Recommend. Thank you, Judi Lynn. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #6

Israel was actually deeply involved in Guatemala since Laugerud García MisterP Oct 2014 #7

K&R Scuba Oct 2014 #10

There is a clue in your post hack89 Oct 2014 #11

The fact that Palestinian population has grown is irrelevant. DanTex Oct 2014 #12

War is tough on societies hack89 Oct 2014 #13

Sure, but that has nothing to do with the "genocide" question. DanTex Oct 2014 #14

A slow motion conflict with low death tolls and an expanding population strains the definition hack89 Oct 2014 #15

I tend to agree that "genocide" is too strong a term. DanTex Oct 2014 #18

But that's the point. It's to slander, slime, & target Israel.... shira Oct 2014 #19

Actually, it's a difference of opinion. DanTex Oct 2014 #20

No it's not. Take the Lancet open letter for example... shira Oct 2014 #21

Well, I don't see it that way. Another difference of opinion. DanTex Oct 2014 #22

Of course you don't. And you cannot justify your position. n/t shira Oct 2014 #23

Of course I can justify it. I already did, in fact. DanTex Oct 2014 #24

A human rights expert who cannot condemn Hamas rockets, describing the terror org.... shira Oct 2014 #25

The article isn't about Hamas. DanTex Oct 2014 #26

It never is, is it? Israel's military response cannot be explained reasonably.... shira Oct 2014 #27

Some articles are, just not this one. DanTex Oct 2014 #28

When the civilian to combatant ratio is close to 1:1, which is better.... shira Oct 2014 #29

Israel's numbers, right? DanTex Oct 2014 #30

Israel's numbers were accurate in 2008-09 against competing claims.... shira Oct 2014 #31

Well, we're gonna have to agree to disagree again. DanTex Oct 2014 #32

Israeli policy of the last 70 years? oberliner Oct 2014 #16

70 or so... you know what I meant. DanTex Oct 2014 #17

I do now oberliner Oct 2014 #33

What I think is that it's debatable. DanTex Oct 2014 #35

I realize that you think that oberliner Oct 2014 #37

What do you think motivated the author of this OP? DanTex Oct 2014 #38

What do you think is the motivation for most of the hate toward Israel ? King_David Oct 2014 #39

There is bigotry and hate on both sides of this issue, but that's not what I'm discussing here. DanTex Oct 2014 #40

That was a very reasonable civil response to me, King_David Oct 2014 #41

Thank you KD. DanTex Oct 2014 #43

There's no evidence she's a bigot. No one claims that here... shira Oct 2014 #42

Honestly, I don't see that either. DanTex Oct 2014 #44

It's difficult being accepted among fellow leftists.... shira Oct 2014 #45

There's no evidence of that either. To you, anyone with any concern about human rights is a DanTex Oct 2014 #46

There is if you read her piece. Her diatribe on America.... shira Oct 2014 #47

Wow. So now you're in favor of US backed death squads in Central America. DanTex Oct 2014 #48

I never said that. Battling straw men is your thing, right? n/t shira Oct 2014 #49

Yes, but you implied it. In the article she talks about US involvement in Guatemala, DanTex Oct 2014 #50

No I didn't. I recognize far left, isolationist right rhetoric..... shira Oct 2014 #51

Yes, and to you rhetoric opposing US involvement in Central American atrocities is "far left". DanTex Oct 2014 #52

Sigh. I don't support American atrocities anywhere.... shira Oct 2014 #54

But that's the only possible interpretation of your accusation. DanTex Oct 2014 #55

The term "genocide" is all about propaganda. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #53