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Jefferson23

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1. The Crisis of Zionism: Six Questions for Peter Beinart by Scott Horton
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:17 PM
Apr 2012

Last edited Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:52 PM - Edit history (1)

Peter Beinart, a former editor of The New Republic who now writes for the Daily Beast and teaches at the City University of New York, has just published a remarkable book, The Crisis of Zionism, that tackles one of the most contentious issues in American politics: how the United States interacts with an Israel that seems increasingly unreceptive to American advice but increasingly engaged in American politics. I put six questions to Beinart about The Crisis of Zionism and its critics, who seem curiously intent on attacking him while ignoring the actual content of his book:

1. It has seemed this year as though figures known for enthusiastically backing West Bank settlement construction, such as Sheldon Adelson and Irving Moskowitz, are putting an immense amount of money into the G.O.P.’s efforts to defeat Barack Obama. Why do you think this is so, and what do you think is the object of their attempts to influence the elections?

Adelson is to the right on a whole range of issues; I don’t know if Moskowitz’s interests are broader than Israel, but I do think both men believe Obama is bad for Israel and that Romney would be better, especially on Iran. I think they’re wrong. Obama’s policies are actually far better for Israel vis-à-vis both Iran and Palestine—and specifically vis-à-vis the possibility of a Palestinian state, because a one-state solution would be a disaster for Israel. But that’s where the Republican Party has essentially gone: to a one-state position.

2. In the past several months, Israeli leaders have floated, backpedaled on, and floated again the notion of a pre-emptive Israeli airstrike against Iran. The idea is always presented as a test of the U.S.–Israel relationship and as a seeming pretext for criticism of Obama, and with the thought that it could occur before the U.S. elections in November. Do you suspect that the elections are motivating this talk—that Netanyahu and those close to him want to use it as a wedge to break Obama’s hold on Jewish voters?



http://www.harpers.org/archive/2012/04/hbc-90008568

The Crisis of Zionism: Six Questions for Peter Beinart by Scott Horton Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #1
Thank you Paul for being honest about the realities of the present decision MindMover Apr 2012 #2
But... But... But... God gave us this land! longship Apr 2012 #3
Paul Krugman: “Israel’s Economy is One of the Happy Stories” oberliner Apr 2012 #4
Oh boy. Now we get to hear all about how Paul Krugman is an anti-semite. Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #5
The pre-emptive "now they will call him an anti-semite" strike oberliner Apr 2012 #6
Well, it definitely happens on DU. Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #23
Well I think we can agree that there is some overlap oberliner Apr 2012 #27
Yes, I definitely think there is some overlap, Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #49
It is interesting that he said this is one reason he does not speak about the subject much at all. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #7
You should have seen some of the incredible attacks on Glenn Greenwald Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #24
Greenwald won't back down regardless and although he is Jewish, he does not carry the weight Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #55
Yes, I agree about Greenwald not being as influential as Krugman Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #57
I'm disappointed with Krugman. He defends deliberate liars like Peter Beinart.... shira Apr 2012 #8
What reason would Krugman have to defend Beinart..if it is so obvious to you that Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #9
Exactly. Why lie deliberately? And why defend such lies? Good question... shira Apr 2012 #10
You believe Krugman is lying on behalf of the deliberate liar Beinart and that Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #11
First, you need to recognize lies for what they are.... shira Apr 2012 #13
I'm delfecting? LOL This thread is about Paul Krugman's endorsement of the book Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #14
Then let's go right to the article. Krugman writes WRT criticizing Israel... shira Apr 2012 #15
I asked you why do you believe Krugman would support the deliberate liar Beinart, your words. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #17
Before I answer, realize that you very rarely directly address questions to you... shira Apr 2012 #18
Address what lies? YOU believe they're lies, I believe they hold an opinion worth Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #20
An opinion that conveniently leaves out facts in order to criticize unfairly is propaganda. shira Apr 2012 #30
They're lies to you and as I have said, the lack of support Israeli policies Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #37
So lies by omission are not lies in your opinion, right? shira Apr 2012 #39
No, you forget it, and go play your silly game alone. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #43
Once again we see that when you can't defend your argument, the debate is over. shira Apr 2012 #46
The deep irony of your post is appreciated, at least by me. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #50
The difference b/w us is that I have no problem defending my views & answering questions shira Apr 2012 #59
Is it your claim that Beinart has not received criticism for his political views on Israel? The Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #19
I claim no one credible has said Beinart is antisemitic, as Krugman inferred... shira Apr 2012 #31
Then you don't know what "tantamount to" means, as he has used it. As for the remainder of your post Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #35
No, you don't know what it means. Tantamount to antisemitism means equivalent to... shira Apr 2012 #36
You're something else, you know that? Of course it applies, and could you at least Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #38
So give me an example. Who has virtually called Beinart an anti-Semite... shira Apr 2012 #40
Tom Friedman, Joe Klein, Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #51
Also getting harder to claim that "The Lobby" silences criticism of Israel oberliner Apr 2012 #52
lol, no, oberliner, their job is merely becoming increasingly more difficult via individuals Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #54
Or that they're becoming somewhat more impotent in the face of "facts on the ground". Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #58
While Beinart COULD be deliberately lying, Martin Sherman's words cannot be taken as evidence for LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #33
So what if he's rightwing? He is, but that has zero to do with the facts.... shira Apr 2012 #34
Yes, some people who claim to be leftists have hard-right views, or support those who do LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #53
By that reasoning, Mondoweiss should rate even worse than Sherman... shira Apr 2012 #56
Thank you for reminding me Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #25
Anyone who enjoys smearing and libeling Israel will enjoy his book. n/t shira Apr 2012 #32
Israels economic preformance and its diplomatic military policy preformances azurnoir Apr 2012 #12
I know, lol. You may find this amusing too, the last paragraph in particular. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #16
Very true oberliner Apr 2012 #21
Sadly, I believe that is highly unlikely to occur from within Bibi. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #22
What will new elections bring? oberliner Apr 2012 #26
I am hopeful the Palestinians will push their message through loud enough Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #42
Netanyahu's ears seem more tuned to notes sung by his coalition azurnoir Apr 2012 #45
I think he has specially designed headphones or something. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #48
Well, I've been making a similar argument here for ten years or so. bemildred Apr 2012 #28
I enjoy your posts. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #41
One in a long line of Cassandras, him & me both. bemildred Apr 2012 #44
A powerful piece and quite thoughtful. I imagine he was motivated in part, by the nightmare tactics Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #47
The ‘bravery’ of Beinart, and Krugman oberliner Apr 2012 #29
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