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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:03 PM Apr 2012

Why Americans don’t understand Israeli Jews [View all]

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Most Americans hate it when Israelis say to them, “Well, you don’t live here, so you don’t know,” when discussing Israeli politics. Yes, most Americans can understand that they do not suffer the consequences of Israeli and regional politics on an everyday basis—or for that matter, ever. However, the logic of stating that someone who doesn’t reside in a country can’t comment on its politics seems to completely diverge from accepting objective opinion, and also seems to counter any foreign policy analyst who isn’t exclusively commenting on his or her own country. It is precisely because Americans don’t live in Israel that they feel they can be less emotional about issues relating to Israel.

Another sensitive spot is political incorrectness. Many Israelis will joke about racism, the Holocaust or terrorist attacks, oftentimes as a way of coping with the political and military situation in the country. For Americans, these jokes are simply incomprehensible. For one, Americans have had few terrorist attacks on their own soil, unlike the second intifada, for example, in Israel. Second, America’s history of racism is a turbulent one, fought over centuries, and remains a sensitive topic today. American political and social culture denounces overt jokes on subjects like terrorism or race—even sketch comedies in the United States favor nuanced commentary on race or war rather than outright jokes about the subjects, which Israeli comedies favor. For most Americans, telling a joke about a bomb would be in extremely poor taste. So, when the Israeli father of incoming White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel makes a comment about an Arab, most likely intended as a joke, it becomes national news and the subject of a sizable controversy.

The army is also viewed in completely different ways by Israelis and Americans. For Americans, the military is a place where you learn how to fight and use weapons against an enemy. The majority of Americans do not serve, and those who do are oftentimes deployed to regions far beyond their home country. There hasn’t been a draft in the United States since Vietnam (even then it was extraordinarily unpopular) and no universal civil service requirement exists either. Many Americans believe the Israel Defense Forces should reflect the military in the United States, but in most cases it doesn’t. The way I see it, Israelis look at the army as a time to bond with other countrymen and women, a place to learn a skill that can be used later in the workforce, and a place where a type of unification occurs - no matter your origin, you are a solider like anyone else. Americans can’t, essentially, understand the role the military plays in Israeli life, because it just doesn’t appear in Americans’ life as often. Israelis use the army as a networking resource, a place to meet other friends or a potential mate; oftentimes roles in the military will determine much of a person’s adult life. In America, this just isn’t the case. Oftentimes, the prevalence of a military experience in Israeli life leads Americans to view Israelis as a violent people, and this has grander ramifications on American-Israeli relations.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/why-americans-don-t-understand-israeli-jews-1.426753

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One doesn't have to agree with or accept this culture in order to understand it. saras Apr 2012 #1
You don't get it... shira Apr 2012 #2
They don't serve, they die? Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #3
The vast majority serve or else they are served up to Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah... shira Apr 2012 #4
Each has a choice, and the remainder of your post is bullshi*t. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #5
well apparently there is an understanding gap alright as this quoite shows azurnoir Apr 2012 #7
What does that quote show? oberliner Apr 2012 #8
When did secular American Jewish kids go to Sunday School ? azurnoir Apr 2012 #9
Since as long as I can remember oberliner Apr 2012 #12
Google Sunday School and see what you get azurnoir Apr 2012 #15
Lots and lots of hits oberliner Apr 2012 #16
what does wiki say about Sunday school? rather than Hebrew school? azurnoir Apr 2012 #17
Just to be clear here... holdencaufield Apr 2012 #20
really I am saying in common American English usage Sunday school azurnoir Apr 2012 #23
So, we're not allowed to call it Sunday School... holdencaufield Apr 2012 #28
what part of common usage do you not understand azurnoir Apr 2012 #32
Thank you for your permission. holdencaufield Apr 2012 #33
it is not a matter of intolerance or tolerance at all it is simple common language use azurnoir Apr 2012 #42
Common is not always correct NT holdencaufield Apr 2012 #44
well that's nice except I have made no "my way or the highway" azurnoir Apr 2012 #48
do you have any evidence for that? I've known quite a few secular Jews cali Apr 2012 #80
I'm saying if they were bar/bat mizvahed then they went to Sunday school oberliner Apr 2012 #81
I did. Shaktimaan Apr 2012 #19
So did I and my three brothers, as well as my father. Behind the Aegis Apr 2012 #21
So you went to Hebrew school on Sunday and called it Sunday school azurnoir Apr 2012 #26
No, I didn't. Behind the Aegis Apr 2012 #37
only one of your 3 links mentioned synagogue the other2 stated usually azurnoir Apr 2012 #38
Dig, Dig, Dig.... NT holdencaufield Apr 2012 #40
Dig what explain yourself please n/t azurnoir Apr 2012 #43
Hebrew school was for teaching Hebrew. Behind the Aegis Apr 2012 #45
No I stated common usage in American English nothing more or nothing less azurnoir Apr 2012 #46
And 5 Jews have told you we all attended Sunday School and you continue to tell us we are wrong. Behind the Aegis Apr 2012 #47
No I continue to tell you what the common usage of the term is azurnoir Apr 2012 #49
What you said... Behind the Aegis Apr 2012 #50
yes I did and since have said if you wish to call it Sunday school then azurnoir Apr 2012 #51
I didn't change anything...that was you. "Common usage." Behind the Aegis Apr 2012 #52
I said common usage in American English now if you wish to call me on that because azurnoir Apr 2012 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Apr 2012 #57
FreeDictionary is obviously a pro-Zionist rightwing rag of a source... shira Apr 2012 #54
yawn anything else? n/t azurnoir Apr 2012 #55
I think you need to ask some of those Jews you know... shira Apr 2012 #56
do you mean whether or not they went to school on Sunday or called it azurnoir Apr 2012 #58
Ask if they went to Sunday School. n/t shira Apr 2012 #59
Do you want notarized answers? azurnoir Apr 2012 #60
went to Hebrew school on Sunday and called it Sunday school? azurnoir Apr 2012 #25
Really every Jewish kid you knew went to Hebrew school on Sunday and called it Sunday school? azurnoir Apr 2012 #27
I did too. Realize not every American Jewish kid goes to a hebrew day school... shira Apr 2012 #22
Digging what shira once again incase you still don't understand azurnoir Apr 2012 #24
You're the one asking "when did secular Jewish kids go to Sunday School"? shira Apr 2012 #29
Apparently... holdencaufield Apr 2012 #34
No but do keep trying as I said apparently you do not understand azurnoir Apr 2012 #36
Really I should apologize for questioning a common usage ? azurnoir Apr 2012 #35
I'm just thinking... holdencaufield Apr 2012 #39
it is a matter of language usage not dogma if you wish to call Hebrew school Sunday school azurnoir Apr 2012 #41
You originally claimed the author of the OP was out of touch for saying Sunday School oberliner Apr 2012 #61
Good Morning my point is and was that the term Sunday School in common use azurnoir Apr 2012 #62
You're willing to fight... holdencaufield Apr 2012 #63
sigh for the umpteenth time once again I have not said I right or wrong I gave you common usage azurnoir Apr 2012 #65
Wow! I'm flabbergasted. NT holdencaufield Apr 2012 #66
Yeah, it's just our "claims". Why should she put any stock into what... shira Apr 2012 #70
Some people will never trust a Jew. NT holdencaufield Apr 2012 #79
perhaps i can clarify a bit... pelsar Apr 2012 #72
well here's the thing azurnoir Apr 2012 #74
It takes a big man to apologise when shown to be wrong. Swede Apr 2012 #77
Good morning? oberliner Apr 2012 #78
You must have meant to say, we as Americans have neighbors like Canada and Mexico, correct? n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #6
Israelis... holdencaufield Apr 2012 #64
Sounds to me more like Israeli Jews are failing to understand Americans: bemildred Apr 2012 #10
I think it was meant to make a rhetorical point oberliner Apr 2012 #13
He himself states, to paraphrase, that "it's not working". That's his subject matter. bemildred Apr 2012 #68
I do see the problem oberliner Apr 2012 #71
Oh I quite agree. bemildred Apr 2012 #73
It's not that Americans should try hard to have more understanding... shira Apr 2012 #75
The situation seems quite symmetrical to me. bemildred Apr 2012 #76
there is a gap between American Jews and Israeli Jews that is shown here azurnoir Apr 2012 #11
That film is big with the Mondoweiss crowd oberliner Apr 2012 #14
Of course it is. But it's not about Jews, right? Wink, wink... n/t shira Apr 2012 #30
The film is expressly about Jews no wink wink about it azurnoir Apr 2012 #67
The irony is that Mondoweiss is irrationally anti-Zionist.... shira Apr 2012 #69
the PC part "kills me" pelsar Apr 2012 #18
I always find it amusing... holdencaufield Apr 2012 #31
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