Israel/Palestine

shira

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51. So you support keeping refugees in camps rather than granting them citizenship...

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:16 PM

Apr 2015

Despite every other country in the world granting citizenship to their refugees and offspring. You seem to think that's in their best interests.

Why not just say that loud and clear since you appear to be so proud of the "truth" that you advocate?

I've asked you many times and you cannot seem to give a yes/no response.

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Yarmouk exposes callous double standards of ugly Israel bashers [View all] shira Apr 2015 OP

Cont'd......Where is the twitter outrage? The talk of holding public protests? shira Apr 2015 #1

Crickets Cayenne Apr 2015 #86

What explains this double standard? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #111

Well, today Palestinians live under apartheid conditions in Lebanon.... shira Apr 2015 #117

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #114

Palestinians started a civil war. Their choice... shira Apr 2015 #116

You use that word. Refugee. DetlefK Apr 2015 #126

Yeah, around 30,000 refugees are left from 1948. Their descendants are not... shira Apr 2015 #127

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait DetlefK Apr 2015 #128

Israel, like every other country, has its own citizenship laws... shira Apr 2015 #130

You cannot deny that Israel has historical responsibility towards those people. DetlefK Apr 2015 #132

Towards some of the original refugees - yes. shira Apr 2015 #134

The response to your question is simple. But will you deny the truth of the response? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #129

So since you think this is all Israel's fault, why the silence? shira Apr 2015 #131

not just BDS proponents believe that Israel is guilty of the deaths in Gaza. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #133

Israel is 100% guilty for > 2000 deaths this summer? shira Apr 2015 #135

Tell us shira who exactly should be protested against or for? azurnoir Apr 2015 #136

It's not just IS and you know it. It's also children in Gaza used as militants.... shira Apr 2015 #137

the children of Gaza about whom you seem so concerned guillaumeb Apr 2015 #140

No, don't turn this around. This is about BDS'ers masquerading as friends of Palestinians.... shira Apr 2015 #142

this response is interesting. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #144

Are you for BDS? Are you usually just as silent when Israel can be blamed.... shira Apr 2015 #146

when you ask "Are you for BDS" guillaumeb Apr 2015 #148

when you said "a state of their own" guillaumeb Apr 2015 #139

A state based on the '67 lines, with land swaps, could still be offered. shira Apr 2015 #147

accepting their own state as defined by Israel guillaumeb Apr 2015 #149

you stated as a fact that there are no protests occuring about the situation guillaumeb Apr 2015 #138

Not talking about Palestinians protesting, but their fake "friends" in the Int'l community shira Apr 2015 #141

More avoidance rather than actual argument guillaumeb Apr 2015 #143

The argument is about the silence of groups like BDS. You're avoiding that. n/t shira Apr 2015 #145

Took me a second to figure out what this is. bravenak Apr 2015 #2

You'd have a point if this criticism were aimed at Palestinians..... shira Apr 2015 #3

Hmmm. bravenak Apr 2015 #7

You can believe anything you want. Your comparison failed. shira Apr 2015 #8

You post reads like bad propaganda. bravenak Apr 2015 #9

Okay. n/t shira Apr 2015 #10

+1 2naSalit Apr 2015 #80

.......... really? azurnoir Apr 2015 #11

Yeah, really. Check out the Twitter feeds of Mondoweiss & ElectronicIntifada.... shira Apr 2015 #12

quite untrue for both especially EI hopefully others take a look at your links too azurnoir Apr 2015 #13

LoL. Yes, they should look at the links. They'll see Israel-bashing..... shira Apr 2015 #14

Yarmouk is quite prominately there azurnoir Apr 2015 #15

Who are you kidding? Israel-bashing is far more prominent on that feed. n/t shira Apr 2015 #16

anyone is free to look azurnoir Apr 2015 #17

Yes, they are. And you disagree with the OP? Really? n/t shira Apr 2015 #18

yes I do the OP is same sort of rambling BS we see here with some frequency azurnoir Apr 2015 #19

How exactly is the OP wrong? n/t shira Apr 2015 #20

what is wrong is that there is little truth to the claims being made as your own links show azurnoir Apr 2015 #21

My links prove the point. Let's count the # of tweets... shira Apr 2015 #22

go ahead count tweets but first explain away why your author has not shown any concern himself azurnoir Apr 2015 #24

Which side in this debate claims to be pro-Palestinian.... shira Apr 2015 #25

so the number of tweets is your standard is it? IMO this thread and a couple of others are cynical azurnoir Apr 2015 #87

Tweets, posts on their websites, similar rage to the Gaza war of 2014..... shira Apr 2015 #88

you do realize that Yarmouk is part of a much larger situation in Syria, right? azurnoir Apr 2015 #89

Assad is the reason there are camps like Yarmouk in Syria oberliner Apr 2015 #90

The PLO is backing Assads efforts to expell IS from Yarmouk azurnoir Apr 2015 #91

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #115

+1 2naSalit Apr 2015 #79

Palestinians are being murdered and starving to death in the refugee camp near Damascus oberliner Apr 2015 #4

Those Palestinians do not matter to Israel haters. Never have, never will. shira Apr 2015 #5

Thus far this single piece is the only 'concern' the author O'Neill has shown for Yarmouk azurnoir Apr 2015 #23

Oh, of course they matter. They should be allowed to return to their promised land. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #30

So u don't believe Pal. refugees born outside Israel should be given citizenship... shira Apr 2015 #33

They should be allowed to return to where they want to return... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #35

Jews outside Israel are citizens of their host country. So once again... shira Apr 2015 #37

Those born in Palestine and their progeny should be allowed to return home. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #42

So what's wrong with them returning to Palestine once there are 2 states? shira Apr 2015 #45

Shira, whether you want to believe it or not Israel has a choice. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #48

Please, stop using words you don't know the meaning to. Smithryee Apr 2015 #49

Oh, you've made it to 45. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #52

" and their progeny should be allowed to return home.." Never going to happen. King_David Apr 2015 #57

So why can't they just return to a future Palestinian state? shira Apr 2015 #38

Theft is theft, shira. It's that simple. Even a small child can understand that. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #44

IOW, the Jewish state must be destroyed. No peaceful 2-state solution.... shira Apr 2015 #47

That is your narrow and partisan view, not mine. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #50

So Israel can atone for the Nakba in your view if/when they allow full RoR.... shira Apr 2015 #54

Demographics predict that eventually, shira. I could be wrong on some of the data, but maybe not... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #56

So that's a yes? 5-6 million refugees should be allowed into Israel.... shira Apr 2015 #58

I call it Israel, shira, and one again... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #60

You call it Israel b/c you advocate for an end to the Jewish state. shira Apr 2015 #64

I call it Israel because that is its name. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #92

RoR including millions of refugee descendants would end Israel shira Apr 2015 #95

To the passing DUer this is the continual argument for land theft R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #97

How many people have to die in order to achieve this 1 state dream of yours? shira Apr 2015 #98

In addition, it's fallacious to argue Israel was built solely on the expulsion..... shira Apr 2015 #85

There wouldn't have been any refugees had R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #93

They just had a civil war. No nation would have allowed that. shira Apr 2015 #94

What was that: excuse #17? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #96

How many people have to die in order to achieve this 1 state dream of yours? n/t shira Apr 2015 #99

A blast from the past replay ? azurnoir Apr 2015 #100

Frank Barat & Anthony Loewenstein of BDS admit > 200K would have to die. n/t shira Apr 2015 #101

no they gave their opinions sort of-anything else you wish to discuss? azurnoir Apr 2015 #102

Sort of? LoL. n/t shira Apr 2015 #107

ya sort of because Lowenstein actually said 6,000,000 it was the umbrage of the day if memory serves azurnoir Apr 2015 #108

Barat said 200,000 before Loeweinstein's repulsive reply. shira Apr 2015 #110

that Lowenstein didn't appear to be shocked what of that? It was hypothetical discussion azurnoir Apr 2015 #113

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #104

For BDS'ers who are so sure their position is moral & just... shira Apr 2015 #109

Yes. bravenak Apr 2015 #6

+1 2naSalit Apr 2015 #78

It must be Tartan Day! Scootaloo Apr 2015 #26

Lol. bravenak Apr 2015 #27

Don't tell anyone, but sometimes i'm actually Andy Kaufman Scootaloo Apr 2015 #28

I won't, but I want photos! bravenak Apr 2015 #29

Strangely enough it happens the many many times you're forced away too King_David Apr 2015 #61

Ain't nobody in the world got moves like me, Dave Scootaloo Apr 2015 #81

Wouldn't it be better if Israel allowed the Right of Return? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #31

Right of Return for whom? Original refugees or something like 4-6 million? n/t shira Apr 2015 #32

All Palestinians in exile should be allowed to make Aliyah to their place of origin. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #34

Those born in other countries should be granted citizenship in those countries. shira Apr 2015 #36

Those born in Palestine and their progeny should be allowed to return home. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #40

All other refugees' kids who were born in other nations.... shira Apr 2015 #43

Well, you're always wrong, shira. That's why you wind up in so many timeouts. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #46

So you support keeping refugees in camps rather than granting them citizenship... shira Apr 2015 #51

I support ROR. Israel can grant them citizenship... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #53

The RoR you support makes Jews into a minority within Israel, correct? n/t shira Apr 2015 #55

Why do you apparently hate the future, shira? Or are you just afraid of it? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #59

The world is waiting for that day, to resume expulsion of their Jews King_David Apr 2015 #62

That's nice that you want to pitch hit for shira, but she can handle this herself. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #65

RoR never gonna happen King_David Apr 2015 #67

Dig in those heels baby. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #70

The world is waiting to resume the expulsions of their Jews King_David Apr 2015 #72

If you say so. The demographics will be the determining thing, dave. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #76

The world calls for 2 states, one Jewish, one Palestinian. shira Apr 2015 #73

South Africa is a different situation altogether. shira Apr 2015 #68

There you go with your disinformation again... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #74

You're wrong about the demographics. shira Apr 2015 #66

Whatever you say. Sweet dreams. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #75

So you're now done w/ the silly demographic argument, right? n/t shira Apr 2015 #84

so a country shouldn't sabbat hunter Apr 2015 #39

When a country whose sustainability is built on the grounds of expelling one group R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #41

There is no lawful internationally recognized right of return. shira Apr 2015 #63

Just stop with your blatant disinformation. United Nations General Assembly, yes, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #69

You're not aware that UNGA resolutions are non-binding... shira Apr 2015 #71

"internationally recognized right of return" That's what I wrote. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #77

It's not even that. Where do these resolutions call for a RoR..... shira Apr 2015 #83

few things about sabbat hunter Apr 2015 #82

I don't believe anything this OP posts. nt procon Apr 2015 #103

Uhhhhhhh... Smithryee Apr 2015 #105

Why do I have to meet your narrow definition of what is "useful"? procon Apr 2015 #112

Good. bravenak Apr 2015 #106

Well, the fact is Palestinians are being murdered in Syria.... shira Apr 2015 #118

You use a lot of buzzwords. procon Apr 2015 #119

Point is, there's nothing NOT to believe from the OP. n/t shira Apr 2015 #121

What is a good source of info on what is happening in Yarmouk? oberliner Apr 2015 #120

Just about any mainstream, or less mainstream, news source LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #123

I disagree oberliner Apr 2015 #124

The UN are making an issue of it, which they don't always LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #122

With respect oberliner Apr 2015 #125

Zero resolutions means the UN isn't making an issue of it. n/t shira Apr 2015 #150