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Ms. Toad

(34,191 posts)
5. Everything you have said is correct,
Sat Apr 28, 2012, 03:57 PM
Apr 2012

if the amendment is interpreted literally. I made pretty much the same list in Ohio in 2004 when we passed a very similar amendment. Thank you for putting up a good fight! Unfortunately, in 2004 I had to choose between a disorganized to non-existent campaign against the marriage discrimination amendment and Kerry. I decided it would be worse to have another 4 years of Bush - and it was.

But, the reality is that, once it passed, those with good intentions found ways around the amendment which did not require recognition of the relationship in order to provide benefits.

State schools still provide domestic partner benefits (I'm still scratching my head on that one, but no one is making a big stink about it), people living together (whatever the relationship) are still benefit from domestic violence laws (although within a month or so of passage some straight guy claimed the law didn't apply because he wasn't married the woman he was beating up; he lost), and just a month ago I defeated the marriage discrimination amendment bogeyman in connection with my own personal health care (resulting in a state-wide change that permits domestic partners to be enrolled as a family rather than as two singles - making a difference in the deductible if either or both have children).

So, it is now sometimes a two step process - convince the holder of rights or benefits to want to offer them, then figure out why the amendment doesn't prohibit it. But so far, any entity intent on doing the right thing has been able to figure it out - and the others were just looking for an excuse not to anyway.

I wish you, and your state, well.

Well said yardie. nt DURHAM D Apr 2012 #1
Sucks doesn't it? MuseRider Apr 2012 #2
Thank you. I know that you are a steadfast ally. yardwork Apr 2012 #8
It is interesting MuseRider Apr 2012 #12
And yet the President can not manage to speak out against it.... Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #3
Thanks for your work customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #4
Thank you for working the GOP in New York and congratulations on your win there. yardwork Apr 2012 #7
We'll eventually prevail customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #14
Everything you have said is correct, Ms. Toad Apr 2012 #5
It took millions of dollars and years of litigation to begin to get clarity in Ohio. yardwork Apr 2012 #6
The cost in time and money was actually Ms. Toad Apr 2012 #9
That's not what I'm reading. You do seem to be trying to downplay the impact of this. yardwork Apr 2012 #10
That is not what I am intending. Ms. Toad Apr 2012 #13
Thank you for this clarification, and for your hard work on behalf of the people of Ohio. yardwork Apr 2012 #19
I would be cautious about what they are telling you about Ohio Ms. Toad Apr 2012 #21
I think that the intentions of the authors of this amendment are different from the intentions in OH yardwork May 2012 #22
It should irk you, and thank you very much for your work. GodlessBiker Apr 2012 #11
Keep up the good work! Fearless Apr 2012 #15
Thank you, with you in spirit! Duncan Grant Apr 2012 #16
How did it go? n/t MuseRider Apr 2012 #17
Praying To the God and Goddess for You and all GLBT People Out There... RetiredTrotskyite Apr 2012 #18
Thanks to everyone for your good wishes. It was an interesting experience. yardwork Apr 2012 #20
I phonebanked again today. It was even harder. yardwork May 2012 #23
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