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stevenleser

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21. I think the Host/SOP setup works and MIRT/TOS alerts work
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:23 AM
Dec 2011

The jury system, however, is a mess. I understand the theory behind it, let the community decide what is ok and what isn't ok. But too often, it doesn't work in practice.

You have to give juries firm guidelines and then ban people who don't adhere to those guidelines from jury duty. If you don't vote to hide a bigoted post, one so bigoted that it gets the poster tombstoned, you don't belong on a jury (and probably don't belong on any Democratic leaning site). If you vote to allow a personal attack to stand because that poster is on your side of pro/anti Obama or pro-atheism or pro-religion, etc., you don't belong on a jury. If you cannot be impartial because you and the poster of the item in question had issues in the past, and you use the jury adjudication as a way to get even with that poster, you shouldn't be serving on a jury.

For some reason, all of the opinions I just wrote are at odds with the admins and preponderance of DU. What we see here is the result. Today, I alerted on a post that was a strong attack on a particular religion and those who observe it (not one that I observe). It was hidden by a 4-2 margin, but even there, it barely made it. One more vote and it would have not been hidden. Two people out of six voted to allow a bigoted post to stand. If you add that to this anti gay alert result discussed.in the OP, 50% of.the two juries voted to allow bigoted statements to stand. That shows.that at the very least the jury system needs serious adjustment.

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This is a TOS violation - did you report it as such? enlightenment Dec 2011 #1
This was sent in as a TOS violation and the poster was banned. William769 Dec 2011 #2
It's been tossed. But I posted this because it needs to be said. Zorra Dec 2011 #3
If we can't feel safe to discuss these issues here HillWilliam Dec 2011 #10
Try a pinned thread in this forum - Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #31
The good news is, juries aside, our other systems worked to deal with it. Ian David Dec 2011 #24
"it-getters" ! A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #25
Credit to Stephen Colbert for coining that phrase. n/t Ian David Dec 2011 #41
It illustrates the importance Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #29
I do understand. enlightenment Dec 2011 #32
Thanks. Zorra Dec 2011 #33
I have to admit... Neoma Dec 2011 #4
Thank you for saying this. All of it. racaulk Dec 2011 #5
Yes. A DU jury letting a post like that stand speaks volumes. Zorra Dec 2011 #22
In some ways I respect the booted poster more than the "Leave It Alone" jury members. DURHAM D Dec 2011 #6
If I understand the new process correctly HillWilliam Dec 2011 #9
I'll hope with you. DURHAM D Dec 2011 #16
I would tend to think admins could see recs tammywammy Dec 2011 #35
Everyone can see recs here. Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #36
Edited - I see what you're saying. tammywammy Dec 2011 #37
I was angry about the jury response to that post too, so I alerted again and checked the TOS box. yardwork Dec 2011 #7
This happened this evening. William769 Dec 2011 #8
I'll say this HillWilliam Dec 2011 #12
Whenever a person is banned since I am on the MIR team I get a notice William769 Dec 2011 #14
I noticed you were on top of those that are banned. DURHAM D Dec 2011 #18
The MIR Team rotates every 90 days. William769 Dec 2011 #19
That is what I am observing, too. The homophobes are getting noticed by admins for the first time. yardwork Dec 2011 #15
Thumbs up to the "keep talking". DURHAM D Dec 2011 #13
Because of your post the other day, I saw the offending post and alerted on it. yardwork Dec 2011 #17
I think the Host/SOP setup works and MIRT/TOS alerts work stevenleser Dec 2011 #21
I'm not sure that a preponderance of DU disagrees with you. yardwork Dec 2011 #23
You wouldnt believe the abuse I get when I raise these issues in Meta stevenleser Dec 2011 #27
Not much willingness in this forum, either. I tried, because I could see it coming. Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #28
+1 Zorra Dec 2011 #26
Looks like we've all arrived at the same place HillWilliam Dec 2011 #20
I saw that too mitchtv Dec 2011 #11
I thought "WOW! Zorra was quick!" Here's why: Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #30
Perhaps some tweaks to the Jury system dickthegrouch Dec 2011 #34
In regards to the whole issue here... Fearless Dec 2011 #38
I have mixed feelings. Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #39
I absolutely agree about bouncing repeat offenders... Fearless Dec 2011 #40
I'll bet if you do a search on my name Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #42
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