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enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
32. I do understand.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 08:04 PM
Dec 2011

I was confused because I failed to track back to the original and didn't realize what had happened.

There is an awful lot of thoughtlessness in the world - sometimes it is simply the product of willful ignorance and sometimes it is utterly malicious in its intent. Regardless of the root from which it springs, it is terrible to see it on a board that prides itself on being a progressive, liberal voice.

That said, DU is a microcosm of the larger world and proves the point that 'liberals' come in all varieties. I don't understand how someone can call themselves a liberal and not accept others; I don't understand Log Cabin Republicans, either. I do accept that we humans have the ability to compartmentalize our lives in ways that allow us to hold multiple, often completely disparate views.

For example: I have a good friend who is a wonderful lady; generous, loving, open-minded and accepting. She defends all groups and supports liberal, progressive policies. One of her very best friends - and they've been friends for almost 40 years - is gay. They are closer than siblings and devoted to one another.

At the same time, this lovely lady can say - without a hint of irony - that she is devastated that her friend is going to go to hell because he is gay. He just shakes his head (and smiles, because he is 70+ years old and doesn't let it bother him) . . . it makes my head explode . . . and makes me want to smack her upside hers.

How can she carry both ideas in her mind? She honestly and unreservedly love this man - but she believes (because her religion tells her) that he is going to go to hell when he dies.

I follow his lead on it. He was friends with her long before she joined this church and that friendship is what is important to him; he takes her as a whole, not just that part. Makes me crazy, though, and I wonder what sort of mental gymnastics she has to perform every day to keep things balanced in her head - and why.

I accept it is possible. I do not understand it.

You should never get used to hatred, Zorra - but you shouldn't let it get under you skin too much, either. DU is a very large community and for every nasty, close-minded, ignorant sod out there, there are two who are not that way at all. I know it doesn't seem that way - ugly things always seem larger and more evil - but I've been around this place for a long time and I really do think it's true.

I realize now that you just needed to rant - and this is the place to safely do it. I'm sorry I was confused about it. *hugs*

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This is a TOS violation - did you report it as such? enlightenment Dec 2011 #1
This was sent in as a TOS violation and the poster was banned. William769 Dec 2011 #2
It's been tossed. But I posted this because it needs to be said. Zorra Dec 2011 #3
If we can't feel safe to discuss these issues here HillWilliam Dec 2011 #10
Try a pinned thread in this forum - Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #31
The good news is, juries aside, our other systems worked to deal with it. Ian David Dec 2011 #24
"it-getters" ! A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #25
Credit to Stephen Colbert for coining that phrase. n/t Ian David Dec 2011 #41
It illustrates the importance Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #29
I do understand. enlightenment Dec 2011 #32
Thanks. Zorra Dec 2011 #33
I have to admit... Neoma Dec 2011 #4
Thank you for saying this. All of it. racaulk Dec 2011 #5
Yes. A DU jury letting a post like that stand speaks volumes. Zorra Dec 2011 #22
In some ways I respect the booted poster more than the "Leave It Alone" jury members. DURHAM D Dec 2011 #6
If I understand the new process correctly HillWilliam Dec 2011 #9
I'll hope with you. DURHAM D Dec 2011 #16
I would tend to think admins could see recs tammywammy Dec 2011 #35
Everyone can see recs here. Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #36
Edited - I see what you're saying. tammywammy Dec 2011 #37
I was angry about the jury response to that post too, so I alerted again and checked the TOS box. yardwork Dec 2011 #7
This happened this evening. William769 Dec 2011 #8
I'll say this HillWilliam Dec 2011 #12
Whenever a person is banned since I am on the MIR team I get a notice William769 Dec 2011 #14
I noticed you were on top of those that are banned. DURHAM D Dec 2011 #18
The MIR Team rotates every 90 days. William769 Dec 2011 #19
That is what I am observing, too. The homophobes are getting noticed by admins for the first time. yardwork Dec 2011 #15
Thumbs up to the "keep talking". DURHAM D Dec 2011 #13
Because of your post the other day, I saw the offending post and alerted on it. yardwork Dec 2011 #17
I think the Host/SOP setup works and MIRT/TOS alerts work stevenleser Dec 2011 #21
I'm not sure that a preponderance of DU disagrees with you. yardwork Dec 2011 #23
You wouldnt believe the abuse I get when I raise these issues in Meta stevenleser Dec 2011 #27
Not much willingness in this forum, either. I tried, because I could see it coming. Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #28
+1 Zorra Dec 2011 #26
Looks like we've all arrived at the same place HillWilliam Dec 2011 #20
I saw that too mitchtv Dec 2011 #11
I thought "WOW! Zorra was quick!" Here's why: Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #30
Perhaps some tweaks to the Jury system dickthegrouch Dec 2011 #34
In regards to the whole issue here... Fearless Dec 2011 #38
I have mixed feelings. Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #39
I absolutely agree about bouncing repeat offenders... Fearless Dec 2011 #40
I'll bet if you do a search on my name Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #42
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