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38. In regards to the whole issue here...

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:53 AM

Dec 2011

Should the jury be changed? Perhaps, but I see that as more of a quick fix to a bigger issue. IMHO, we need to engage people in a dialogue regarding sexism, regarding homophobic remarks, etc. Explain why they are offensive and why they hurt us and demean DU as a whole. Rehabilitate DUer's who say these things instead if they are willing to listen, instead of TS'ing them at the drop of a hat. If they are unreceptive, I think a heavier hand is necessary, but at least we should try to give them the benefit of the doubt, that ignorance (i.e. unknowing) may not be a self-imbued quality, that people may be willing to change if reached in an nonthreatening way. If they learn, we all move on with one more ally, and if they don't TS them and move on without them. No sense in arguing with bigots.

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Stinking elephant carcass in the room. 50% of that jury was apparently comprised of homophobic, [View all] Zorra Dec 2011 OP

This is a TOS violation - did you report it as such? enlightenment Dec 2011 #1

This was sent in as a TOS violation and the poster was banned. William769 Dec 2011 #2

It's been tossed. But I posted this because it needs to be said. Zorra Dec 2011 #3

If we can't feel safe to discuss these issues here HillWilliam Dec 2011 #10

Try a pinned thread in this forum - Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #31

The good news is, juries aside, our other systems worked to deal with it. Ian David Dec 2011 #24

"it-getters" ! A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #25

Credit to Stephen Colbert for coining that phrase. n/t Ian David Dec 2011 #41

It illustrates the importance Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #29

I do understand. enlightenment Dec 2011 #32

Thanks. Zorra Dec 2011 #33

I have to admit... Neoma Dec 2011 #4

Thank you for saying this. All of it. racaulk Dec 2011 #5

Yes. A DU jury letting a post like that stand speaks volumes. Zorra Dec 2011 #22

In some ways I respect the booted poster more than the "Leave It Alone" jury members. DURHAM D Dec 2011 #6

If I understand the new process correctly HillWilliam Dec 2011 #9

I'll hope with you. DURHAM D Dec 2011 #16

I would tend to think admins could see recs tammywammy Dec 2011 #35

Everyone can see recs here. Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #36

Edited - I see what you're saying. tammywammy Dec 2011 #37

I was angry about the jury response to that post too, so I alerted again and checked the TOS box. yardwork Dec 2011 #7

This happened this evening. William769 Dec 2011 #8

I'll say this HillWilliam Dec 2011 #12

Whenever a person is banned since I am on the MIR team I get a notice William769 Dec 2011 #14

I noticed you were on top of those that are banned. DURHAM D Dec 2011 #18

The MIR Team rotates every 90 days. William769 Dec 2011 #19

That is what I am observing, too. The homophobes are getting noticed by admins for the first time. yardwork Dec 2011 #15

Thumbs up to the "keep talking". DURHAM D Dec 2011 #13

Because of your post the other day, I saw the offending post and alerted on it. yardwork Dec 2011 #17

I think the Host/SOP setup works and MIRT/TOS alerts work stevenleser Dec 2011 #21

I'm not sure that a preponderance of DU disagrees with you. yardwork Dec 2011 #23

You wouldnt believe the abuse I get when I raise these issues in Meta stevenleser Dec 2011 #27

Not much willingness in this forum, either. I tried, because I could see it coming. Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #28

+1 Zorra Dec 2011 #26

Looks like we've all arrived at the same place HillWilliam Dec 2011 #20

I saw that too mitchtv Dec 2011 #11

I thought "WOW! Zorra was quick!" Here's why: Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #30

Perhaps some tweaks to the Jury system dickthegrouch Dec 2011 #34

In regards to the whole issue here... Fearless Dec 2011 #38

I have mixed feelings. Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #39

I absolutely agree about bouncing repeat offenders... Fearless Dec 2011 #40

I'll bet if you do a search on my name Ms. Toad Dec 2011 #42