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kestrel91316

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3. It may push those catholics who are on the fence into being firmly in favor of

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:39 AM

Jul 2013

gay rights. And it may push the devout, obedient, staunch conservative catholics onto the fence. So it's a good thing.

This pope is wise. He knows that change has to come fairly slowly to the RCC if he wants to avoid John Paul I's fate.

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Poll: Pope Francis calls for inclusion of gays in society, saying he has no right to �judge� [View all] stevenleser Jul 2013 OP

First, the Catholics on DU might take issue with your opening line and I would agree with them Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #1

+1 theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #2

It is like a puff piece on the Pope that attacks American Catholics to accomplish the Pope puffing. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #6

No, it's not. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #10

It's impressive how badly you have mischaracterized my post. stevenleser Jul 2013 #9

You claim you asked because you wanted opinions, you got one but you don't like it, poor guy! Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #13

No, I got a personal attack disguised as an opinion. That is very different. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #17

Care to offer specific complaints? What was a personal attack? I asked you many questions about Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #19

That was no personal attack. MNBrewer Jul 2013 #35

Yes it was and it's easy to prove. How many "You" and "Your" words are in his reply to me? nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #40

Responding directly to you is not the same as attacking you, personally MNBrewer Jul 2013 #41

He's not responding to me. He's imputing beliefs I never voiced and then attacking them. AND... stevenleser Jul 2013 #42

then say that, don't characterize it as a "personal attack". MNBrewer Jul 2013 #43

That IS a personal attack. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #44

You and I have very different definitions of "personal attack", then. MNBrewer Jul 2013 #46

It may push those catholics who are on the fence into being firmly in favor of kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #3

For a person in Uganda One_Life_To_Give Jul 2013 #4

Francis still condemns actual gay relationships and it is those relationships that are punished in Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #5

Then let him go to Uganda theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #8

It will have no effect on Ugandans MNBrewer Jul 2013 #37

And while he's at it, he can make a stop in Cameroon theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #47

He is still a bigot that says gay sex is immoral dbackjon Jul 2013 #7

No question. stevenleser Jul 2013 #12

As in saying drop opposition to gay marriage and ENDA? dbackjon Jul 2013 #18

The problem is that the RCC makes a distinction between just and unjust discrimination MNBrewer Jul 2013 #38

You can't tell an average gay parishioner to deny himself closeupready Jul 2013 #11

I think the OP and some others don't really hear what Francis is saying. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #14

And the RCC lobbies all the time, on abortion legislation, closeupready Jul 2013 #15

The hypocrisy of the Church abounds theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #20

By the way, Steve, you might find this Time op-ed interesting - closeupready Jul 2013 #16

Can you support your assertion that Francis called for inclusion of gay people in society? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #21

I never made that assertion. That is the headline of the article. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #22

Then what exactly does the word 'this' in your poll refer to if not the words above it? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #23

"This" refers to the Pope's statements. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #24

Why would they make a difference? It is nothing new at all. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #27

That's the opinion that I asked for. I don't decide on my opinion of something that affects the LGBT stevenleser Jul 2013 #28

The first one was the same opinion with details and requests to think about these issues in Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #31

The difference being... theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #32

I'll go with "no difference" mitchtv Jul 2013 #25

I hope and pray that this means the ice is cracking. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #26

Watch the video then decide. William769 Jul 2013 #29

I don't know what effect this may have, if any. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #30

Nope. No change in policy. Certainly no change in doctrine. Old Union Guy Jul 2013 #33

Let's revisit Francis' real track record, shall we? theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #34

My two cents... Plantaganet Jul 2013 #36

Bingo!! theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #39

I'd like to be optimistic. But in reality I think any short-term change will be superficial. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #45

Hmm... Fearless Aug 2013 #48

Let me return for a moment to the OP theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #49

I hear you. And I note in particular that most of the folks who I know from here to be regular stevenleser Aug 2013 #50

I see it as a positive thing. It may be that he is learning Zorra Aug 2013 #51