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Moonwalk

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16. As a non-Catholic, I don't think activism will influence or change anything...
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jul 2013

The church is rich, powerful, and has a lot of hospitals, churches and schools in poor areas with no birth control. That means, plenty of new and old followers to keep it fat and content. Why should it change anything outside of it's "tone" so that it sounds less mean? Thus allowing those who do belong to say, "See! It's gentle and friendly and it cares about us."

I don't know what non-Catholics you know (or Catholics for that matter, as many of them seem to be living in perpetual hope of a miracle), but I've no illusions about the Catholic Church changing. Which is why I'd urge Catholic gays and women who want something different to convert to Episcopalian. It's like waiting for that abusive boyfriend to change. It's easier and faster to change yourself. And, thus, find whatever it is you're after (religious acceptance, being able to serve god as you wish, etc.). Leave the one who won't change and become what you want before your life is over and you realize you spent the whole of it waiting for someone else to make you happy.

Obviously, as a non-Catholic, such urging is presumptuous of me, but you brought up what non-Catholics think of all this and that's what I think.

Now, of course, letting the Vatican influence American laws regarding the right of American gays or women (or similar laws in may other countries for that matter) is a whole other story. In that, I urge everyone to stop them however they can be stopped. Period.

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this pope has about ten years madrchsod Jul 2013 #1
Patronizing token gestures again: We welcome you, we want to have you... Moonwalk Jul 2013 #2
Well said! n/t Plantaganet Jul 2013 #3
Oh come on... theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #5
Yeah, that was a weird comment (the other guy's, not yours). Seemed rather over-the-top to me. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #7
Yeah, but wouldn't it be cool if he did? n/t VWolf Aug 2013 #31
Unfortunately, I think you're most likely correct. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #6
Sounds like the Democratic Party dbackjon Jul 2013 #15
K&R... love_katz Jul 2013 #4
Kr nt Tien1985 Jul 2013 #8
Cardinal Dolan was interviewed on the Today Show this morning theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #9
Thank You Pedophile Protector and Asset Protector in Chief, Dolan. dballance Aug 2013 #27
... no gay priests ... ??? Old Union Guy Aug 2013 #36
Politically it's significant One_Life_To_Give Jul 2013 #10
I think your information is outdated theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #11
Most of Central and Islands is not tolerant One_Life_To_Give Jul 2013 #17
I know about the islands theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #18
His admonishion to the Vatican's internal "Gay Lobby" One_Life_To_Give Jul 2013 #19
What exactly are people hoping for? Glaug-Eldare Jul 2013 #12
Wow. theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #13
What's wrong with it? Glaug-Eldare Jul 2013 #14
Religious doctrine that is WRONG dbackjon Aug 2013 #29
Then don't be Catholic? Glaug-Eldare Aug 2013 #32
There is no understanding of hatred and bigotry dbackjon Aug 2013 #33
Sorry, but the world's more complicated than bumper stickers. Glaug-Eldare Aug 2013 #34
I think the Pope has already cornered the market on bumper sticker ditties theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #35
As a non-Catholic, I don't think activism will influence or change anything... Moonwalk Jul 2013 #16
Then the Catholic Church, and Christian Churches that believe gay sex is sinful dbackjon Aug 2013 #28
Love the pope, hate the papacy. MNBrewer Jul 2013 #20
Obviously looking to make the church relevant to youth of today. Fearless Aug 2013 #21
I have to admit, your posts have confused me theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #22
Of course! Fearless Aug 2013 #24
Thanks for your response theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #25
Time will tell I suppose. Fearless Aug 2013 #30
The only good thing that I see might come from LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #23
I agree theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #26
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