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Bluenorthwest

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13. You claim you asked because you wanted opinions, you got one but you don't like it, poor guy!

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:20 PM

Jul 2013

Catholics on DU have often asked that the regular Catholics not be confused with leadership. The leadership is and was hugely bigoted, there have been no changes as you attempt to claim there have been. The rank and file are more accepting than Protestant or Orthodox Christians so to hold them up as homophobic while claiming the POPE is less homophobic is in my view a service to the Pope and an insult to regular Catholics and to gay people.
Don't want opinions, do not ask for them. Don't want strong reactions, don't post blame where it should not be while absolving the actual source of the hate. Which is what you are doing. Francis is the head homophobe and hate speaker, you claim he's leading hateful people to glory.
I think my reaction was spot on and highly warranted, I challenge you folks pushing this Pope as something he is not, and his words as something they are not.
Sorry that my opinion is not your own opinion. That's life among equals. Better get used to it, you and Frankie Ones.

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Poll: Pope Francis calls for inclusion of gays in society, saying he has no right to �judge� [View all] stevenleser Jul 2013 OP

First, the Catholics on DU might take issue with your opening line and I would agree with them Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #1

+1 theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #2

It is like a puff piece on the Pope that attacks American Catholics to accomplish the Pope puffing. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #6

No, it's not. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #10

It's impressive how badly you have mischaracterized my post. stevenleser Jul 2013 #9

You claim you asked because you wanted opinions, you got one but you don't like it, poor guy! Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #13

No, I got a personal attack disguised as an opinion. That is very different. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #17

Care to offer specific complaints? What was a personal attack? I asked you many questions about Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #19

That was no personal attack. MNBrewer Jul 2013 #35

Yes it was and it's easy to prove. How many "You" and "Your" words are in his reply to me? nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #40

Responding directly to you is not the same as attacking you, personally MNBrewer Jul 2013 #41

He's not responding to me. He's imputing beliefs I never voiced and then attacking them. AND... stevenleser Jul 2013 #42

then say that, don't characterize it as a "personal attack". MNBrewer Jul 2013 #43

That IS a personal attack. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #44

You and I have very different definitions of "personal attack", then. MNBrewer Jul 2013 #46

It may push those catholics who are on the fence into being firmly in favor of kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #3

For a person in Uganda One_Life_To_Give Jul 2013 #4

Francis still condemns actual gay relationships and it is those relationships that are punished in Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #5

Then let him go to Uganda theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #8

It will have no effect on Ugandans MNBrewer Jul 2013 #37

And while he's at it, he can make a stop in Cameroon theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #47

He is still a bigot that says gay sex is immoral dbackjon Jul 2013 #7

No question. stevenleser Jul 2013 #12

As in saying drop opposition to gay marriage and ENDA? dbackjon Jul 2013 #18

The problem is that the RCC makes a distinction between just and unjust discrimination MNBrewer Jul 2013 #38

You can't tell an average gay parishioner to deny himself closeupready Jul 2013 #11

I think the OP and some others don't really hear what Francis is saying. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #14

And the RCC lobbies all the time, on abortion legislation, closeupready Jul 2013 #15

The hypocrisy of the Church abounds theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #20

By the way, Steve, you might find this Time op-ed interesting - closeupready Jul 2013 #16

Can you support your assertion that Francis called for inclusion of gay people in society? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #21

I never made that assertion. That is the headline of the article. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #22

Then what exactly does the word 'this' in your poll refer to if not the words above it? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #23

"This" refers to the Pope's statements. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #24

Why would they make a difference? It is nothing new at all. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #27

That's the opinion that I asked for. I don't decide on my opinion of something that affects the LGBT stevenleser Jul 2013 #28

The first one was the same opinion with details and requests to think about these issues in Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #31

The difference being... theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #32

I'll go with "no difference" mitchtv Jul 2013 #25

I hope and pray that this means the ice is cracking. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #26

Watch the video then decide. William769 Jul 2013 #29

I don't know what effect this may have, if any. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #30

Nope. No change in policy. Certainly no change in doctrine. Old Union Guy Jul 2013 #33

Let's revisit Francis' real track record, shall we? theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #34

My two cents... Plantaganet Jul 2013 #36

Bingo!! theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #39

I'd like to be optimistic. But in reality I think any short-term change will be superficial. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #45

Hmm... Fearless Aug 2013 #48

Let me return for a moment to the OP theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #49

I hear you. And I note in particular that most of the folks who I know from here to be regular stevenleser Aug 2013 #50

I see it as a positive thing. It may be that he is learning Zorra Aug 2013 #51