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Ms. Toad

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21. It isn't just Chelsea Manning.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 10:44 PM
Aug 2013

Just before my friend told her boss that she was a transwoman, she had the experience of being in the cafeteria with the TV on when a particularly masculine looking woman came on a talk show. Everyone around her started giggling and cracking jokes, and generally insulting trans* people - never realizing that about a month later their co-worker (and in some cases supervisor) was a transwoman. That is what trans* people experience every day - even after transition.

So when you talk about Chelsea in a way that is not respectful of her expressed gender preference, you are sending the message to every trans* person who reads it that they don't deserve your respect. In the context of someone who has expressed a preferred gender pronoun, s/he is extraordinarily offensive because it is too close to one of the main words people use to dismiss trans* individuals - "he-she," a word of ridicule. The reaction was probably stronger to that particular word choice than had you merely used masculine pronouns.

You must have had at least one experience of sitting in the room hearing yourself discussed in the form of someone else with whom shared a characteristic that was distasteful to the speaker. That is what the reaction was about. Even though you may have thought you were talking only about Chelsea, the way you talked about Chelsea really sends a message to all trans* individuals who read it.

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And it's going to get worse. William769 Aug 2013 #1
I think that was me. I meant no offense. I'm not clear at what point we kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #2
To answer your question - Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #7
Well my ambiguity and confusion is why I used S/HE rather than HE. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #16
There is a difference Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #17
I'm fairly certain that Chelsea Manning's feelings weren't hurt by my single post using "s/he" to kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #19
It isn't just Chelsea Manning. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #21
I am reminded of the relentless bashing chervilant Aug 2013 #27
I saw that mockmonkey Aug 2013 #18
I am absolutly stunned by the comments I read just few minutes ago. idwiyo Aug 2013 #3
Meet the new DU. Same as the old DU. closeupready Aug 2013 #12
I can not beleive what I am seeing posted here. WTF? idwiyo Aug 2013 #13
I know. Bear in mind, though, some are disrupting deliberately. closeupready Aug 2013 #14
If they are really unhappy, they have the power to do something about it. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #23
And - the reply I expected from Skinner Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #25
Thank for the link. closeupready Aug 2013 #29
I managed to miss it yesterday, as well. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #31
Sad, but true. IngridsLittleAngel Aug 2013 #24
+ a gazillion chervilant Aug 2013 #28
I agree, and I've said before, closeupready Aug 2013 #30
Pretty much finished with this place after today. JackBeck Aug 2013 #4
Many of us do. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #8
Comparing her to Pat from "SNL"? What is this, 1990? How frickin' out of touch can a person be? nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #5
Yeah that one really pissed me off! Initech Aug 2013 #6
By the time I alerted, the jury had already ruled. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #9
I really wanted to tell that asshole off. But I got to the thread too late. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #11
He has been TS'd Marrah_G Aug 2013 #33
Good! nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #34
Just take deep breaths, alert and click tos Marrah_G Aug 2013 #10
Someone else will have to do that for me for the next 24 hours. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #15
That one is enlightenment Aug 2013 #22
Can you please PM me the username of that poster. idwiyo Aug 2013 #32
K&R NealK Aug 2013 #20
one thing the usa leads the world on is civil rights/equality for LGBT Sunlei Aug 2013 #26
We may not be at the bottom - nowhere near - but we're not "leaders" either. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #35
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