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Honeycombe8
5. I've seen some stats over the years. And there's a group of Log Cabin Republicans.

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I think they are all or most white and wealthy.

There are gays across all economic classes, just like all other groups. I didn't say all gays are white, wealthy, & educated. But compare it to the black community (the wealth and education), and you'd see a difference. That's Inot bad. But when a nice looking white suited man walks into a bakery, most bakeries are going to do their fastest to whip up a cake for him, in the hopes he'll come back. That's a customer who can afford to buy more cakes. I imagine a few businesses might refuse service, but I doubt most will. When businesses refused service to blacks years ago, they weren't losing much business, since Af. Americans didn't have much money, anyway. Besides, non-gay customers wouldn't like it, whereas non-black customers didn't care, or agreed with, refusing service to black people. That's just what I think.

Honeycombe8
9. Compare gay men to other "oppressed" groups. Not to the most pre-emminent group ...

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which is white male.

Sorry, you're in a losing battle if you're trying to convince people that being a gay male is comparable to centuries of being black or female.

It's not a contest. But there is just, factually, a difference in the economic status of the discriminated groups, both in the past and now.

Log Cabin Republicans are mainly white, educated, and earn more than other groups fighting discrimination. Facts are pesky things, aren't they?

It's a money thing. If it's in a small business owner's interest to sell cakes to gay men getting married, they'll sell cakes to 'em. And no, other customers in the northeast, especially, would NOT be okay with overtly refusing to sell a gay man getting married a cake. Just like they'd not be in favor of not selling a black man a cake, or a woman a cake because she's female.

It's possible that people who don't have experience with discrimination don't really grasp what is faced by other oppressed groups, and what they have typically faced on a daily basis for centuries. Refusing to sell someone a cake because of who they are marrying is a discriminatory thing, but it's on a different level, IMO, than refusing to sell an entire group the use of a bathroom or hotel accommodations, or being allowed to murder them legally (it was legal to murder some women at a point in our history). Why do you want to have a contest with Af. Americans on who is oppressed more, anyway?

Just think about this: If you had to wake up tomorrow as a black woman, a black straight man, a black gay man, a white male straight man, a white male gay man, or a white straight female....which would you choose? All other things being equal. (But of course, statistically, if you're female or black, you will be in a lower wage earner class.)

This is the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002231357

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