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In reply to the discussion: Coming out as Bi soon? [View all]

TygrBright

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26. Irish & Catholic is one of the Patriarchy's most powerful combos, I think.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:15 PM
Oct 2015

I got that on one side of the family, too. It's partly because the Irish strain of Catholicism had a lot of Janesenist influences in it, and developed a strong bunker mentality with political overtones as a response to English occupation and persecution. Very tribal, Irish Catholicism. Very controlling and dualistic-- there were two approaches to everything, the (Irish) Catholic way, and the WRONG way.

But pretty much all the religions that had any real influence in North America (except Native American spiritual practice, and that had a pretty narrow influence, and operated 'underground' even there) were essentially tools of the patriarchy. As such, it was necessary for them to control women by defining us, our roles, and our sexuality, very rigidly.

In the 60s and 70s when lesbians began to find their voices, they were only marginally welcome in both the feminist movement and the gay pride movement, so there was a strong element of "identity enforcement" needed for empowerment and cohesion. I couldn't go there, either, though some women I love very much did.

I *understand* the role of gender, sex, and identity in politics, it just never was much of a fit for me. I'm very, very grateful to those who fought the hard fights that made it possible for me to be more open about myself now, though. Those were important fights undertaken by brilliant and passionate and powerful people, and I honor them.

appreciatively,
Bright

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Coming out as Bi soon? [View all] Kath1 Oct 2015 OP
It means rigid sexual roles are unnatural. Half-Century Man Oct 2015 #1
+1 Smarmie Doofus Oct 2015 #3
Direct from the nutshell, yep. n/t TygrBright Oct 2015 #12
what are you doing on du? marym625 Oct 2015 #2
Thank you. Kath1 Oct 2015 #10
good for you! marym625 Oct 2015 #11
Thank you for the kind words, patience and understanding. Kath1 Oct 2015 #16
Very cool marym625 Oct 2015 #17
Thank you so much, marym625! Kath1 Oct 2015 #19
Just be you and act how you feel is right Fearless Oct 2015 #4
We're not watching world wide wally Oct 2015 #5
Americans have a notion that there is only the extremes. 100% gay or 100% straight.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #6
^This LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #32
Did we really have to know? FormerRepublicanNow Oct 2015 #7
::ahem:: You DO know this is the "LGBT Group," right? TygrBright Oct 2015 #13
This was on the front page when I replied FormerRepublicanNow Oct 2015 #15
It should be private and it should just between a person and their partner(s) LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #30
I never posted much in this group but I visited often. Kath1 Oct 2015 #22
+10000 marym625 Oct 2015 #23
Forget it. Not my place. (n/t) Iggo Oct 2015 #38
TMI Lunabell Oct 2015 #8
TMI Kath1 Oct 2015 #9
That seems a rather mean thing to say LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #33
Enjoy! TygrBright Oct 2015 #14
Thank you for your kind words. Kath1 Oct 2015 #18
I'm no spring chicken. TygrBright Oct 2015 #20
Very cool, TygrBright! Kath1 Oct 2015 #21
don't confuse love and sex marym625 Oct 2015 #25
I'm just a tad younger than you marym625 Oct 2015 #24
Irish & Catholic is one of the Patriarchy's most powerful combos, I think. TygrBright Oct 2015 #26
Excellent and intelligent analysis! Kath1 Oct 2015 #28
+1000 marym625 Oct 2015 #35
Right on, sister! Kath1 Oct 2015 #27
I wanted to self-delete my original post. Kath1 Oct 2015 #29
I didn't think it was TMI in the least :) (nt) LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #34
yeah, some people don't get it. Don't worry about it marym625 Oct 2015 #36
I've had a few days to think about this and talk with my partner. Kath1 Oct 2015 #42
the sex part is just as important in a loving relationship marym625 Oct 2015 #44
Thank you for the kind words and support. Kath1 Oct 2015 #45
It is my understanding that most people are Bi LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #31
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