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In reply to the discussion: Whats with the transphobia and the defense of transphobia on du today? [View all]foo_bar
(4,193 posts)95. if that's the case, they seem to have researched the part
The performance was persuasive enough to be defended on DU (assuming the defenders weren't in on the joke), but I'm open to the idea of disruptors inhabiting a role merely to ingratiate themselves with their erstwhile foes. Still, this poster's line of thought appears to be consistent with a particular sub-strain of feminist theory, one which uses "FAAB" as an anti-TS shibboleth (and sincerity isn't an excuse for prejudice, in any event):
so regarding the question, if FAAB were removed from the feminist game, what would change? the answer appears to be this: MAAB would also be removed from the game. and with it, the fact that THE crucial line drawn in the sand for millenia has been based on the known dangers to women of the penis, and the creation of a master class based solely and demonstrably on the ability to cause female-specific harm, would become invisible.
it would signal the end of radical feminism, in other words.
http://factcheckme.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/decoding-faabmaab/
it would signal the end of radical feminism, in other words.
http://factcheckme.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/decoding-faabmaab/
If trans activists have any confidence whatsoever in their own agenda and the assumptions listed above, then I believe they should be able to handle critique and analysis without resorting to blanket accusations of transphobia.
http://fabmatters.wordpress.com/trans/ ("FAB Matters"
http://fabmatters.wordpress.com/trans/ ("FAB Matters"
versus:
The vast majority of feminists are perfectly accepting of trans people. As far as I can discern, the transphobia comes from a small, though noisy minority. Unfortunately, this minority seems to be influential, and still get the platform to speak: I write this post after seeing that people are still paying attention to Julie Bindel, who spouted transphobic thought in an Oxford student newspaper today.
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Transphobia has no place in feminism. None whatsoever. You can dress it up in as much theory as you want, you can stick your hands over your ears and deny youve done anything wrong, you can wilfully twist the truth into lies, but if youre transphobic, you have no place in feminism.
http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/transphobia-has-no-place-in-feminism/
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Transphobia has no place in feminism. None whatsoever. You can dress it up in as much theory as you want, you can stick your hands over your ears and deny youve done anything wrong, you can wilfully twist the truth into lies, but if youre transphobic, you have no place in feminism.
http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/transphobia-has-no-place-in-feminism/
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Whats with the transphobia and the defense of transphobia on du today? [View all]
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2012
OP
I think we have a lot of "visitors." They're getting desperate. Don't worry, they'll be
monmouth
Feb 2012
#1
i think both of you are right. Lesbians did get shunned when the gay rights movement began
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2012
#25
To think of people solely based on their actions foregoes the human faculty of empathy.
Fearless
Feb 2012
#82
The poster in question will out and out tell you they will post whatever they want
Jamastiene
Feb 2012
#16
Some of it seemed to be transphobic trollery...it's the defense of it that has me confused.
Starry Messenger
Feb 2012
#11
OK. There is some strong language in that post and some of the following posts.
ZombieHorde
Feb 2012
#18
even when our interests are not aligned, its not ok to make or defend bigoted comments
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2012
#19
Which thread in Meta do you feel most accurately represents your feelings on this issue?
ZombieHorde
Feb 2012
#21
incidentally feldspar claimed that she and sarabellum were partners
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2012
#33
people who have bigoted against transgender people talk like that (and robots)
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2012
#41
She was reinstated hours after she was banned. There was a thread about it at the time.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#51
gender is always assigned at birth. its how it gets on your birth certificate
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2012
#59
But the poster says that she and her partner identify as lesbians. FAAB lesbians, she said.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#56
Ok, I've censored myself twice because I am really trying not to jump to any conclusions.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#64
Actually, I don't think they like the sensible shoes, Vanje. I think they deplore them!
yardwork
Feb 2012
#77
IMO this is like some one who claims there is nothing wrong in having white pride
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2012
#60
I don't think it's pro-masculine. The poster seems to be using FAAB in a different way than usual.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#90
I was going by "The feminine has absolutely nothing to do with feminism or Women’s Liberation ...
foo_bar
Feb 2012
#91
That's a logical interpretation. Another possibility is word salad. If you follow me.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#92
That's not very polite, is it. Not very polite at all. Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.......
yardwork
Feb 2012
#78
I think that discussion of these issues belongs in both this group and the feminist group.
yardwork
Feb 2012
#99