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TheMadMonk

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17. They all stood up and changed THEIR OWN PART OF THE WORLD.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:09 AM
Mar 2012

Some truly brave souls go to other parts of the world and help the locals do that changing.

What doesn't work is going to those other parts of the world and dictating terms.

BULL-fucking-SHIT. History tells us that absent something resembling a local support network, the helpless and opressed choose the survival option (no matter how debasing) almost every single time. When people are starving or threatened with death THE VAST MAJORITY WILL demean themselves any way they're asked to, for just a scrap of food or a moment more of life.

How many times have you wanted to scream at the TV, "Fight back! He's going to kill you anyway." It's not a Hollywood plot element, it's reality. The lickspittle foil to the office/schoolyard bully? On TV he's but a pale imitation of reality.

OK a much, much worse bloodbath. As is being seen in Afghanistan right fucking now. As the US looses what little grip it ever held over the nation, those women and children encouraged to come forward to be the poster children of a new enlightened regime are enjoying a second go round as the VERY DEAD poster children for a resurgent Taliban, and a war machine that doesn't want to leave.

A debased life is not a pleasant one. But it is a life, and in the opinions of most, it remains better than the alternative.

Offering false hopes, with no realistic hope of delivery creates exactly the situations we have in Iraq, half of Africa, and Afghanistan today.

It is not that I am willing to let it continue. It's that I'm aware that any attempt to enforce societal change from the outside is far, far more likely to make matters worse than better.

By all means stand up for yourself and WITH others willing (and ready) to be stood up for, but you WILL NOT GET THE DRUNK TO SOBER UP UNTIL THE DRUNK IS READY TO STOP DRINKING OF HIS OWN VOLITION. He may (probably will) need all the help in the world, but he still has to be ready to accept that help, not have it thrust upon him.

I'm old enough (barely) to see just how far forward several "opressed groups" have advanced in the last several decades, and also to gauge the level of opposition they did it against.

AND YOU are throwing a temper tantrum when the the World refuses to instantly catch up several centuries in the face of entrenched opposition many times greater than the suffragettes, the labour movement, blacks, and libbers ever had to face.

It might not be happening fast enough to please you, but it is happening. Forcing it will not get you there any faster, and (again) as is happening in Afghanistan, is far more likely to invite bloody minded reprisal anywhere you are unable to enforce compliance.

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This is what happens in a theocracy. It's Rick Santorums wet dream. Lint Head Mar 2012 #1
NO! This is what happens when outsiders attempt to impose their own values. TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #3
"Quranic greeting that extolls God as merciful and compassionate." Rampant theocracy. Lint Head Mar 2012 #4
NO! Theocray is just a convenient fucking excuse. TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #5
+ 1. n/t truedelphi Mar 2012 #7
Excuse me a second... Fearless Mar 2012 #8
Keep YOUR filthy words out of MY mouth. Force feeding isn't fighting. TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #10
Iraq has been discriminating against and killing LGBT people since well before American influence. Fearless Mar 2012 #11
Yes from within. TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #13
What is evil is a person who thinks they are educated William769 Mar 2012 #14
I AM NOT FUCKING DEFENDING ANYONE! I am telling you that the World... TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #15
The world would never have changed its mind if it weren't for brave people Fearless Mar 2012 #16
They all stood up and changed THEIR OWN PART OF THE WORLD. TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #17
Tell the Jews that they should have just stood up for themselves. Fearless Mar 2012 #18
And thankyou for making my point for me. TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #19
That is a gross oversimplification of why the Jews were targeted in WWII. Fearless Mar 2012 #20
I said nothing about WHY it was done. And while a simplification of HOW... TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #21
Led by what foreign power? Fearless Mar 2012 #22
religion strikes again nt msongs Mar 2012 #2
The way they are being stoned to death is horrific Broderick Mar 2012 #6
Now I live openly and freely in Mississippi, a cesspool of bigotry and hatred, but Iraq is different Rowdyboy Mar 2012 #9
I think that the only answer is that there is strength in numbers. n.t Fearless Mar 2012 #12
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