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johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
2. The Internet has Cons as well as Pros. It amplifies schoolyard stuff exponentially
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:56 PM
Oct 2012

Kids were doing this kind of mean stuff forever but if you moved most likely all that dirt didn't follow you & you can start over.
Today, EVERYTHING is connected. EVERYTHING is transmitted.

If somebody doesn't like you for whatever reason, social networking through the internet can destroy a kid unprepared to deal with barrage.
I was born in 1976 & when I was in school through the 80s & early 90s it could never get this bad.

Kids didn't have smartphones that snap pictures & videos of you at any time whether you posed for it or not.
There was no YouTube to post those pictures & videos to the whole entire world.
There was no texting by cellphone/smartphone & no Facebook/Twitter or whatever else to create instant rumor-mongering & social shaming.

There were barely cellphones & they were giant monstrosities anyway. Mostly the few who could afford stuff like that would just have beepers & pagers.
All you had was that mean word of mouth & the bathroom walls to scratch a nasty message in.
People fought you with their fists more than not. A squad ganging up on you maybe.
No gun shoot outs at my school in my time. You might have had to worry about butterfly knifes sometimes (but they most likely would be confiscated).

It was very low tech. You had to face people & talk junk through word of mouth alone.
My school didn't even allow kids to have calculators much less cellphones.

Today anybody at any given time can snap a picture, record a video, post screeds on social networking sites, post pics & videos through online video/picture services & ruin a reputation in record time.
Everything you do & even DON'T do can be plastered all over the Internet to follow you no matter WHERE you go or what you do.

It's good for catching crooked politicians & crooked people but it also allows stalkers, slanderers & all the worst kind of people to put Scarlet Letters on you bigger than André the Giant.

It's hard for ADULTS to deal with crap like this.
Kids/Teens don't know how to deal with this.
And that's why you better think REALLY hard about allowing your kid to have a cellphone/smartphone, allowing them access to Facebook & stuff like that.
And even IF you block those things out, it doesn't mean that your kid won't SEEK them out like all kids do with forbidden things.
When they go to their friend's house & do the stuff they couldn't do at their own house.
When they sneak out & do things behind your back anyway.

But kids REALLY have a deficit when it comes to understanding consequences to actions.
And one mistake may be too late to correct in this overly-connected internet world we live in now.

Amanda Todd did what kids have always done. And her demeaners & bullies did what demeaners & bullies have always done.
The difference is the Internet & how it can follow you for life.

The truth is once kids get to teen level you're not going to be able to protect them from all this.
You won't be able to immunize them to all this. They're going to sneak out & find a way.
Even IF they don't do anything, that same ignorant schoolyard crap can be immortalized by the Internet.

Best to teach kids how to defy conformity & learn to live with the world against you.
How to be one that goes against the grain & can weather the storms of social shaming & rumor-mongering.
It doesn't matter what your kid does, when the other kids want to demonize you, you will be demonized.
Teach your kids how to handle the demonization & defy it.

So sad for Amanda Todd.
High school is meaningless. She shouldn't have thought it was the end of the world because it wasn't.
I wish I could have told her these words before she took her life.
John Lucas

A shame on many levels Doctor_J Oct 2012 #1
The Internet has Cons as well as Pros. It amplifies schoolyard stuff exponentially johnlucas Oct 2012 #2
Actually, I would just show teens this story . . . caseymoz Oct 2012 #4
It'll stop a few. But people always think things like this won't happen to them...until it does johnlucas Oct 2012 #5
No, I think if you look at . . . caseymoz Oct 2012 #6
Well what about sexting between teens? johnlucas Oct 2012 #7
Sexting is why you show them this story. caseymoz Oct 2012 #9
End discussion, sure. But you're not accounting for human nature johnlucas Oct 2012 #10
And PS: You don't listen to anybody.nt caseymoz Oct 2012 #13
Nor do you... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #35
Not just on those who harrassed her but the blackmailing stalker himself johnlucas Oct 2012 #36
This is the saddest story I've seen in a long time. caseymoz Oct 2012 #3
Ican't even dwell on "What instinct was triggered here" Catherina Oct 2012 #15
I just had to explain to a 17 year old on my Facebook LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #8
+1 ~ ^This^ Zorra Oct 2012 #11
So much this. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #12
Thank you. THIS ^^^^ Catherina Oct 2012 #14
Doesn't make it right but it's going to happen if you expose yourself on the internet johnlucas Oct 2012 #20
Your answers are very... polite Catherina Oct 2012 #21
I don't condone the 'boys will be boys' mindset but people will exploit you on the internet johnlucas Oct 2012 #23
"All of it for the mighty dick that can't control itself." KatyaR Oct 2012 #27
And we as a society have the choice to make life more difficult for the stalker Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #22
Yes, I'm in favor of laws addressing internet stalking johnlucas Oct 2012 #24
It's possible to hunt down and identify individual stalkers within national borders Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #34
Well let's work on the ones within the national borders johnlucas Oct 2012 #48
I don't think that the fear of making the internet less free is a valid argument against privacy law Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #49
As long as it's smart regulation I'm down johnlucas Oct 2012 #54
I don't think Obama will do anything about it, nor do I expect Congress to act. Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #60
No, the answer was to expose this guy who threatened her about the pics johnlucas Oct 2012 #26
The fact that she was taken advantage of by a perverted pedo LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #28
I don't mind having this discussion. I welcome it. johnlucas Oct 2012 #30
I am too ill to type out a response tonight LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #32
Cultures were formed from environmental & biological settings johnlucas Oct 2012 #33
I'm beginning to think you might be in the wrong place LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #37
Misunderstandings here. Listen to what I say johnlucas Oct 2012 #45
I'll watch for it then LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #46
Here it is LadyHawkAZ johnlucas Oct 2012 #55
"No matter how you put it Masculine is designed to attract Feminine & Feminine is designed to Zorra Oct 2012 #50
I'll invite you to that thread me & LadyHawkAZ will talk in johnlucas Oct 2012 #51
John? Please, consider that you are a man, making repeated, assertive, absolute statements to a Zorra Oct 2012 #52
Oh so just because it comes from a man, it's to be discarded? johnlucas Oct 2012 #53
LOL! Oh, my. No, Zorra Oct 2012 #58
I touch on the control of female sexaulity & homophobia in that thread I made for LadyHawkAZ johnlucas Oct 2012 #59
Zorra? MadrasT Oct 2012 #56
In wake of Amanda Todd suicide, House of Commons to debate anti-bullying bill Catherina Oct 2012 #16
Amanda Todd still a target of vile online abuse - on FB page set up in memory of teen 'found hanged Catherina Oct 2012 #17
This is how people are on the internet. That's why I talked about preventive techniques johnlucas Oct 2012 #25
It just gets worse :( Catherina Oct 2012 #18
'It got traced to somebody in the United States' Catherina Oct 2012 #19
It just gets worse and worse Catherina Oct 2012 #29
The problem with an Anonymous organization LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #38
Totally agreed Catherina Oct 2012 #39
They're doing some policing today Catherina Oct 2012 #43
About time n/t LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #44
Good...about time they did some fucking self-policing Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #57
huh? 4chan IS "anonymous" Batman bin Suparman Oct 2012 #47
This is seriously depressing Catherina Oct 2012 #31
How fucking sick and tragic. I cannot believe this. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #61
It's very hard to believe. Catherina Mar 2013 #63
Man fired for posting negative comments on Amanda Todd's memorial page Catherina Oct 2012 #40
Two of her tormentors have been named Catherina Oct 2012 #41
As far as I am concerned, her tormenters should be shot. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #62
I updated the original since the first video link is no longer working Catherina Mar 2013 #64
One alleged tormentor was in court yesterday on charges of sexually interfering with another minor Catherina Oct 2012 #42
Just found this thread... TeeYiYi Mar 2013 #65
Bumping your thread Catherina, because at least a bit of justice for Amanda has begun. polly7 Apr 2014 #66
I don't know why I'm surprised that it was someone so far away Catherina Apr 2014 #67
Well, that's good news LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #68
Done :) polly7 Apr 2014 #69
Awesome LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #70
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