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MannyGoldstein

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10. Strictly true on being a different question, but

Sun May 4, 2014, 06:17 PM

May 2014

isn't life expectancy what we normally want to optimize? All other things being equal?

Two questions:

Have grapes or grape juice been shown to confer increased life expectancy?

Has it been shown that drinking alcohol and ingesting grapes/grape juice at the same time is not as good as ingesting grapes/grape juice alone?

Unless the answer to the second question is yes, then I don't think we have evidence that grapes confer the same cardiac benefit as alcohol but without the added cancer risk.

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The most depressing news-No Amount of Alcohol Is Safe [View all] n2doc May 2014 OP

I'm fucked. Enthusiast May 2014 #1

+1000 JustAnotherGen May 2014 #2

Yeah, you and the rest of the human race Warpy May 2014 #4

What he said ^^ n/t lordsummerisle May 2014 #14

Not depressing to me. ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #3

It says in the post lordsummerisle May 2014 #5

It means the risk is never zero n2doc May 2014 #6

not contradictory -- the risk starts with the first drink and increases from there. unblock May 2014 #8

Grape juice lordsummerisle May 2014 #11

yes. well. not sure what that has to do with longevity or cancer or health. unblock May 2014 #17

But IIRC, alcohol reduces heart disease, too MannyGoldstein May 2014 #7

that answers a different question unblock May 2014 #9

Strictly true on being a different question, but MannyGoldstein May 2014 #10

not as many studies about grape, but the key compounds are very similar unblock May 2014 #16

I can't wait for the next health scare lordsummerisle May 2014 #12

So what happened to the thing about red wine in moderation SheilaT May 2014 #13

I would tell my Seventh-Day Adventists friends about this lordsummerisle May 2014 #15