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HuckleB

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Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:02 PM Feb 2012

What Is Traditional Chinese Medicine? [View all]

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/what-is-traditional-chinese-medicine/

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It may be trivially true that TCM has a long history, but it is hard to ignore that the placement of this statement at the beginning of a scientific article implies an argument from antiquity – that TCM should be taken seriously because of this long history. I would argue that this is actually a reason to be suspicious of TCM, for it derives from a pre-scientific largely superstition-based culture, similar in this way to the pre-scientific Western culture that produced the humoral (Galenic) theory of biology.

The next line is an admission that TCM is largely based on anecdotal information, described as the “precious experience” of life. This is a point that is often overlooked or not understood by proponents but central to the scientific/skeptical position – what is the value and predictive power of “precious experience” in developing a system of medicine?

I maintain that there are many good reasons to conclude that any system which derives from everyday experience is likely to be seriously flawed and almost entirely cut off from reality. Obvious short term effects, the lowest hanging fruit of observation, are likely to be reliable. Uncontrolled observation is a reasonable way to discover which plants, for example, are deadly poisons. This is likely to produce some false positives but few false negatives, which is fine for survival.

Other obvious effects, like nausea, diarrhea, and psychedelic effects are also easy to discover. Similarly it was probably obvious that people need to eat, breathe, and drink in order to stay healthy and alive. But records of pre-scientific thinking about health and disease shows that little else was.

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Can we please get back to discussing health care via the scientific method?

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Du rec. Nt xchrom Feb 2012 #1
Anything... BiggJawn Feb 2012 #2
Something like this.. pipoman Feb 2012 #3
How about the monkeys who discovered that eating charcoal Voice for Peace Feb 2012 #4
isn't that something? KT2000 Feb 2012 #5
agree Voice for Peace Feb 2012 #24
To understand Traditional Chinese Medicine KT2000 Feb 2012 #6
AMen, not all TCM uses animal parts and in fact, most of it doesn't. Ecumenist Feb 2012 #7
Actually, acupuncture is pretty well understood in the "west." laconicsax Feb 2012 #8
Hmm Really? So, I suppose the acupuncture I received to control a bleeding problem that Ecumenist Feb 2012 #9
Ah, yes. Reality as determined by anecdote. laconicsax Feb 2012 #12
My dear, I understand so much more medically than you can begin to imagine... Ecumenist Feb 2012 #13
What a lovely appeal to authority. laconicsax Feb 2012 #14
You know, trying to tell what my experience was and those of many other people were Ecumenist Feb 2012 #15
The Role of Anecdotes in Science-Based Medicine HuckleB Feb 2012 #20
Some believe that personal experience, or personal p.o.v., has no validity. Voice for Peace Feb 2012 #26
That's what I've decided. It's NOT anecdotal. I had PHYSICAL CHANGES that had not Ecumenist Feb 2012 #27
Actually, the issue is that those who want to push anecdotes don't want to challenge their beliefs. HuckleB Feb 2012 #28
A link Dorian Gray Feb 2012 #22
+1000 n/t Former_DU_Member Feb 2012 #30
you bring up reality Voice for Peace Feb 2012 #25
Yes - I was just making KT2000 Feb 2012 #10
Exactly. I agree with you. Ecumenist Feb 2012 #11
The OP has a complete understanding of it. HuckleB Feb 2012 #18
You mean the kind of "complete and accurate understanding" skepticscott Feb 2012 #21
Explain how the OP is a "straw man argument." HuckleB Feb 2012 #19
+1000 BuddhaGirl Feb 2012 #23
When we take science back from corporations, you might have a point saras Feb 2012 #16
What does this red herring have to do with anything? HuckleB Feb 2012 #17
It has to do with there being TWO crap systems, not just one saras Feb 2012 #31
That does not come close to answering the question. HuckleB Feb 2012 #32
Acupuncture and history: The “ancient” therapy that’s been around for several decades HuckleB Feb 2012 #29
If I am unwell... Why Syzygy Feb 2012 #33
I hate to break it to you... laconicsax Feb 2012 #34
silly Why Syzygy Feb 2012 #35
That herring has a lovely shade of red. n/t laconicsax Feb 2012 #36
If the evidence is clear that something does not work, then why would you allow people to lie? HuckleB Feb 2012 #37
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