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Tumbulu

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45. There are so many good organic livestock producers these days

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:41 AM

Apr 2012

I just had my CCOF organic inspection this morning. The inspector had just spent 4 days inspecting an organic dairy/pasture chicken operation north of me.

The pasture rotations of the dairy cows are followed by the crews of chickens who clean up the pastures after the cows. They sleep in mobile coops at night and are guarded (from predators) by livestock guardian dogs during the day.

The inspector says that there are so many really wonderful operations like this that she is working all year now inspecting them. There has been a tremendous growth in the humane and organic operations.

There are big changes happening and to me they really matter.

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The Challenge of Going Vegan [View all] groovedaddy Apr 2012 OP

I don't understand the reasons for going vegan adigal Apr 2012 #1

I agree with you IF veganlush Apr 2012 #3

not sure why you think dairy and eggs are all that important to a diet. unblock Apr 2012 #4

If you can be sure to get enough protein, they you are right adigal Apr 2012 #8

wow, not even canned beans? unblock Apr 2012 #9

Yes, I can get canned beans!! adigal Apr 2012 #11

Most protein needs are overestimated. Geoff R. Casavant Apr 2012 #14

The problem is B-12 Warpy Apr 2012 #10

Yes, I agree with all that you said adigal Apr 2012 #12

B-12 is pretty easy to get. Geoff R. Casavant Apr 2012 #13

Soy Milk is very highly processed tinrobot Apr 2012 #25

And fats. Our brains need a lot of certain lipids. bemildred Apr 2012 #16

That generally isn't a problem Warpy Apr 2012 #20

In a modern industrial food culture it's no problem at all. bemildred Apr 2012 #23

Well, likely the only raw stuff they ate was the liver Warpy Apr 2012 #27

Right, I'm talking about fat. bemildred Apr 2012 #28

Eating meat helped early humans reproduce, spread around the globe bemildred Apr 2012 #58

I stopped eating meat veganlush Apr 2012 #2

one thing i found after giving up meat is that you can actually taste everything else better unblock Apr 2012 #6

That would be your opinion. HuckleB Apr 2012 #22

lol any chef or sommelier will confirm this unblock Apr 2012 #24

No, they won't. HuckleB Apr 2012 #29

oooooooo-kay fine. just my opinion. unblock Apr 2012 #32

Thank you for confirming that you have nothing to offer but the usual Internet BS. HuckleB Apr 2012 #40

there is much study and writings that show handmade34 Apr 2012 #35

Those "studies" are preliminary at best. HuckleB Apr 2012 #39

Is bacon meat? bemildred Apr 2012 #5

lol! the fact that it's hard to tell is one of the main reasons we don't eat meat anymore! unblock Apr 2012 #7

Your response does not make sense in any way, shape or form. HuckleB Apr 2012 #30

we don't eat meat anymore in large part because we're grossed out by how it's processed unblock Apr 2012 #33

Formed, textured, and seasoned all-purpose food paste is how I think of them. bemildred Apr 2012 #34

Please don't feed the illogical among us? HuckleB Apr 2012 #42

wow, we've really touched a nerve here, haven't we. unblock Apr 2012 #44

That is the funniest post I've ever read. HuckleB Apr 2012 #52

Got logical fallacy? HuckleB Apr 2012 #41

i see the problem. you don't actually read the posts before you jump to a dismissive conclusion. unblock Apr 2012 #43

He seems to think logic is some substitute for divine writ or something. bemildred Apr 2012 #47

Logic is important. HuckleB Apr 2012 #51

My post was illogical, not to say facetious, to start with. bemildred Apr 2012 #53

You were making a joke. HuckleB Apr 2012 #54

Quite. bemildred Apr 2012 #55

Look, I have no desire to get in an argument with you. bemildred Apr 2012 #56

All of that is why I'm a bit surprised by your responses here. HuckleB Apr 2012 #57

Somehow you fail to see that your response made no sense in context. HuckleB Apr 2012 #50

nah... handmade34 Apr 2012 #15

+1. bemildred Apr 2012 #17

Don't forget to look at the whole thing from both sides... laconicsax Apr 2012 #18

... handmade34 Apr 2012 #19

+1 HuckleB Apr 2012 #31

I know some vegans will deny this... trotsky Apr 2012 #21

Exactly. We didn't develop stone axes to pick broccoli. tinrobot Apr 2012 #26

"...no suffering for the animals involved..." handmade34 Apr 2012 #36

Which is why the words "with some effort" are key, of course. trotsky Apr 2012 #37

I like the way Alan Watts put it: bemildred Apr 2012 #38

There are so many good organic livestock producers these days Tumbulu Apr 2012 #45

Yes, I'm related to some. bemildred Apr 2012 #46

Mentioning chickens brought back some fond memories of my last flock NickB79 Apr 2012 #48

+1. Very apropos. nt bemildred Apr 2012 #49

Personally, I am a happy ominvore. What I don't get about the whole SheilaT Apr 2012 #59

Babies don't want vegan mommies? bemildred Apr 2012 #60

Were Early Humans Cooking Their Food a Million Years Ago? bemildred May 2012 #61