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erronis

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Mon Jun 15, 2026, 06:31 PM Jun 15

At 85 and healthy? Why more medicine may do more harm [View all]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2026-06-healthy-medicine.html
by James H. Stein, MD



I don't think I've seen this perspective before. As I'm slowly approaching my actuarial EOL, this has a lot of relevance.

When a patient has made it to 85 years old in reasonable health, their instinct--and often their physician's--is to redouble prevention efforts, optimize every number and close every gap. I want to argue the opposite.

If you have made it to 85 and are healthy and living independently, you have won the game of life. The appropriate response is not more medicine. It is recognizing what got you there and being very careful not to break it. We have precious few interventions that can reliably extend an 85-year-old's lifespan (let alone their health span) but an infinite number of ways we can mess it up.

What winning the game actually means

Average life expectancy at birth in the United States is roughly 78 years. A healthy 85-year-old has outlived that mark by nearly a decade, and someone born in 1940, when life expectancy at birth was closer to 63 years, has outlived what the actuarial tables of their birth year would have predicted by more than two decades.

Something is working, likely their genetics and lifestyle behaviors, acting together with a huge dose of good fortune, none of which we fully understand. That humility should inform everything that follows. This is a patient who succeeded at survival--not one who failed prevention--and interventions calibrated for a 58-year-old in a randomized clinical trial do not apply to them in any straightforward way.

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"... there is a specific harm in converting a healthy older adult into a medical project." Pinback Jun 15 #1
My goal is to be on no medications bamagal62 Jun 15 #14
Good for you! erronis Jun 15 #16
I think longevity is like diarrhea, it runs in your genes. multigraincracker Jun 15 #2
My mom's side of the family bamagal62 Jun 15 #8
Moving is key. bamagal62 Jun 15 #12
Just because I'm watching it and it fits with your comment - look up "Perfect Days" erronis Jun 15 #17
I need to watch. bamagal62 Jun 15 #21
I'm 76 and run 3 to 5 miles 3 to 4 days a week. multigraincracker Jun 15 #22
Saw a film about Japanese heart health. multigraincracker Jun 15 #24
Natto? bamagal62 Jun 15 #26
I eat all kinds of fermented food and drinks. multigraincracker Jun 15 #27
You should suss out bamagal62 Jun 15 #33
Co-ops frequently sell natto. And miso and other fermented products. erronis Jun 16 #34
If it's not broken... ultralite001 Jun 15 #3
Wow - that took me back at least 60 years. erronis Jun 15 #4
Omg cate94 Jun 15 #15
I'm blessed with ADHD. multigraincracker Jun 15 #28
I would argue that the age should be 75 not 85. kellytore Jun 15 #5
At my last annual checkup, my young doctor said, Pinback Jun 15 #6
Same here. Just glad I went to the eye doctor. multigraincracker Jun 15 #29
My uncle died bamagal62 Jun 15 #9
I'm very sorry to hear that. It can happen at any age, but we get a lot of them as we age. erronis Jun 15 #18
I will say this was many years ago before it became routine. bamagal62 Jun 15 #23
A thought provoking OP..... anciano Jun 15 #7
I so agree! bamagal62 Jun 15 #10
And when the opponent flips over his winning card. erronis Jun 15 #11
The cards are shuffled randomly. You only multigraincracker Jun 15 #30
I admit to HEAVY confirmation bias in favor of the article... TygrBright Jun 15 #13
I like your philosophy. erronis Jun 15 #20
I'd rather deal with the pain than take pain pills. multigraincracker Jun 15 #31
I'm comfortable with my mortality. Dr. T Jun 15 #19
Regarding colonoscopy, I've wondered whether the damage to the microbiome from the prep... lostnfound Jun 15 #25
I never minded getting one. My brother multigraincracker Jun 15 #32
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