That is cult talk - don't tell the truth, don't make waves. Don't try to make any changes (Reply #23)

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Fri Feb 3, 2012, 02:57 PM

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23. That is cult talk - don't tell the truth, don't make waves. Don't try to make any changes

Old Codger > Personally I feel anyone who nit-picks the system is looking for an excuse to continue on their path of destruction... maybe bending your beliefs somewhat then do it <

It is NOT nit-picking to object to the Lord's Prayer - straight out of the Bible Matthew 6 and Luke 11, with explicitely Christian themes. It it is NOT nit-picking to say the program is religious (and to point out that it is hypocritical for A.A. to claim it is not religious), it is just acknowledging the obvious, as all the highest courts have found.

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49 replies	Author	Time	Post
Spirituality vs the "God" idea. [View all]	Stuart G	Jan 2012	OP
thanks Stuart	NMDemDist2	Jan 2012	#1
Nicely put.	Tripod	Jan 2012	#2
Agreed and well said	Old Codger	Jan 2012	#3
Once I invited my higher power back into the driver's seat,	tavalon	Feb 2012	#15
My own opinion	Old Codger	Feb 2012	#20
Thank you for that post above.	Stuart G	Feb 2012	#21
That is cult talk - don't tell the truth, don't make waves. Don't try to make any changes	progree	Feb 2012	#23
easy there	NMDemDist2	Feb 2012	#27
And what you just said, in a nutshell,	tavalon	Feb 2012	#38
Well	Old Codger	Feb 2012	#31
Maybe you need to be the next Bill	tavalon	Feb 2012	#33
Well spoken!	tavalon	Feb 2012	#36
When I was drinking I was an agnostic. Now after many years of sobriety I have Him with me. Every	demosincebirth	Feb 2012	#35
Yeah, I think you hit on a sticky spot for some	tavalon	Feb 2012	#37
I've been sober over three decades -- have met few who don't believe in a Higher Power and there	demosincebirth	Feb 2012	#39
Kind of hard to endure the religious proselytization about a prayer-answering favor dispensing deity	progree	Jan 2012	#4
I've met folks from County Drug Court in the rooms	Rhiannon12866	Jan 2012	#5
It is a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution	progree	Jan 2012	#6
In answer to this quote...from above post..	Stuart G	Jan 2012	#7
Your last line says it all	tavalon	Feb 2012	#16
It is not "playing God" to not believe in a prayer-answering favor-dispensing deity - NT	progree	Feb 2012	#24
There were lots of "I" statements in my post	tavalon	Feb 2012	#26
there has been much controversy about court ordered attendance for sure	NMDemDist2	Jan 2012	#8
All the groups I've been to ... (2) Why I brought all this up	progree	Jan 2012	#9
i'm sure you're not the only one. i stated that in my first response	NMDemDist2	Jan 2012	#10
Its not Bible thumpers that bother me... its the religious proselytization in the 12 Steps and Lit.	progree	Jan 2012	#11
i dunno	NMDemDist2	Jan 2012	#12
What I resent is that it all these characterizations are directed at the agnostic / atheist	progree	Jan 2012	#14
I do not believe in this, and never have...	Stuart G	Jan 2012	#13
Prayer to me, is the time that I stop chattering	tavalon	Feb 2012	#18
Wow, nicely put.	Tripod	Feb 2012	#22
God in the Steps and literature sure sounds like a deity who does favors and answers prayers ....	progree	Feb 2012	#32
Wow, I've never been to a program	tavalon	Feb 2012	#17
The groups that I've been to end the meetings the exact same way	Rhiannon12866	Feb 2012	#19
Well, I don't like a generic prayer-answering favor-dispensing deity being crammed down my throat	progree	Feb 2012	#25
i felt very much as you do	NMDemDist2	Feb 2012	#28
Lord's Prayer..?????	Stuart G	Feb 2012	#29
FWIW, Stuart, my heart heard you loud and clear	dixiegrrrrl	Feb 2012	#30
Since you asked...	progree	Feb 2012	#34
A.A. Members In My Experience	mrjackshuman	Apr 2013	#40
this post is completely inappropriate for this group and this topic	NMDemDist2	Apr 2013	#41
Your experience has not been mine.	cordelia	Apr 2013	#42
Your rant sounds like a personal problem and not my experience with and in AA.	Lil Missy	Apr 2013	#43
Nor has this been my experience	Rhiannon12866	Apr 2013	#44
As long as you don't question the program, especially its "not religious" claim, you'll be fine n/t	progree	Apr 2013	#45
Again, not my experience.	cordelia	Apr 2013	#46
Question if you like..here is what happened last Sunday...at a 12 step meeting...........	Stuart G	Apr 2013	#47
Thanks for this, terrific answer!	Rhiannon12866	Apr 2013	#48
Did he or she question the "not religious" claim or the program, other than ask a question about it?	progree	Apr 2013	#49

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