Spirituality vs the "God" idea.

[Stuart G]

29. Lord's Prayer..?????

Why the Lord's Prayer??? some of the Christian stuff??
.................why all that stuff?????

The truth is simple..they wanted a prayer at the end of a meeting...
They (the original groups) chose that one cause ..............are you ready???

it is the one that the most of them knew .
....that is it, that is all......

now, I am Jewish, I didn't like it either..so???what did I do?? I first went to OA in l979..so what did I do..

I left..I didn't need OA..nope not me....so I went home, and lost a lot of weight, and in the winter of 1980, I gained it all
back plus 20 pounds more..........yep..l980. Then on June 9, 1980 I came back to OA...
.so I stayed at OA and kept the weight off, and read about AA since in OA, we had
no book ..and we used AA stuff..
..Now 2 years later, 1982, I was struggling with this God stuff, like you are, and guess what?
A lady in our OA group suggested I use..
"the power of love..as a H.P." Her name was Mary O. I wonder where she got that from...Well it is from ..a chapter called..
We Agnostics........and agnostics were accepted too..Oh yea, we (AA adn OA) accepted others too...
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At first they didn't want to accept non believers..so, a non believer confronted Bill and Bob (founders of AA) early on..and said..Do you believe this stuff about.."the only requirement is a desire to stop drinking.."..and they agreed the non believer was allowed in the
group...................................

Then.............they had a problem with those child bearing people with breasts..(don't be offended, we are all adults here.women I think they are called.....)so...................
..they too were admitted too...then, it was the problem of people with color from the South..you know??and they were admitted too.
Then high bottom drunks..not real bad drunks..just mildly drunkk..or what ever??so they got in too.. Oh..then the rich ones, and the young ones..so they got in too..Not really an exclusive club.Later...they admitted the gay ones..they are ok too..........
................Guess what..there was another group just admitted in the last few years..
..that I am in...we are called .."double addicted.."...drugs and booze..In reality, us druggies, (me ..prescription drugs)...well they
let me in too. why? well it is ok, I am not such a bad guy..nice people here and in AA and OA..
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Now, I am stuggling with a bitch of an addiction..booze and drugs...as well as my food addiction..as well as anxiety and
fear, and depression.and upcoming surgery..
............and yes, I hear the Christian stuff too..but the people are ok, (more than ok) I like those that I can relate too and forget the
rest.., I hear the Christian stuff occasionallly..it is ok..cause the meetings help me to keep my sanity and calm me down...they are worth it and I accept most of it, cause it saved my sick fucken life..I was stoned on prescription drugs forover 30 years and I am clean for over 5 years...(very strong shit I might add)...something like Xanax..so...I am clean, sometiimes happy, clear headded and living one minute at a time.....I have found some happiness there in those meetings...
........................ PLEASE FORGET THE CHRISTIAN STUFF..IT AIN'T WORTH IT..ARGUING ABOUT IT AINT' WORTH IT,
..............................YOU ARE WORTH MORE THAN THESE ARGUEMENTS..FIND A MEETING AND SOME PEOPLE who think like you............ ..................................... AND TRY
YOUR BEST TO STAY SOBER..ONE MINUTE AT A TIME...WE ACCEPT YOU AS YOU ARE..agnostic, atheist,
spirtual thinker, non thinker..
.I don't need bible quotes..I need to live today if I can..

that is it..and that is all I got for now...need to get to a meeting, or call someone...cause I am upset over
my upcoming surgery...lots of pain there.....you know??maybe I will calm me down with a hot bath..??

Stuart G.