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mrjackshuman

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40. A.A. Members In My Experience
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:17 AM
Apr 2013

A.A. Members In My Experience:

1-) Push A.A., NOT recovery. It’s why they say “keep coming back” instead of “keep abstaining from alcohol.”

2-) For the most part are condescending in manner, contrary to them preaching that “ego” is a bad thing. Apparently YOUR “ego” is a bad thing, not their own. Yes there are some nice people there, and they are the ones that often get preyed on by those they meet at A.A. Many of the condescending types are the typical self-righteous religious nuts you could meet at many fundamentalist Christian churches. They have the “right” concept of God. If you don’t agree with them you’re stupid or one way or another less than they are. Never mind that (in some cases) they lie, cheat and steal.

3-) Despite many of the members condescending and self-righteous manner, if you speak up to them you are challenging their holy program. If you challenge the holy program, you might cost a newcomer their life. Never mind that they routinely tell newcomers to go out and drink or use. (News flash: To a newcomer that sounds like “We don’t care about you.” “Go use”, after initially “love-bombing” them, which is no more than theatrics. Yeah, “feel the love.” What a joke!)

4-) Continue to define their “program” in A.A. terms. They parrot what they’ve been told, never mind truth or logic. People say it’s a religion or has religious roots. If it is (or does), so what? But they don’t want it to so it simply is not religion. You know because they say so—no other reason, and no other reason for the many things they tell you. They said so—period. Logic does not exist, common sense does not exist. Only the program exists, and you’re Higher Power, no matter what doorknob, rock, or other inanimate object you choose. Personally, I’m slighted that any object would be considered any living, breathing organism’s Higher Power. There is all this talk of miracles in the rooms, and yet an object is often chosen to be the Higher Power of beings who possess the gift of life. Yet this is the program that saves lives. Excuse me for not buying into it.

5-) Love to say when you disagree with them or challenge their program that you are resentful or hateful. For one thing, it’s a program for A.A. members. It’s their program, you’re program if you want it, but it’s not my program. I’m allowed resentments, and resentments do not get me drunk. (Hate to burst that A.A. bubble but yes, I am a chapter three.) Because it’s an A.A. program and not mine, I don’t have to work it. The program does piss me off. In my experience it’s a membership of self-righteous, egotistical, delusional people who don’t listen to the outside world, or even look at it through the window.

6-) Say it’s a program of spiritual growth. If that’s the case, where is it? I went to meetings for years and all I saw were people saying they had it but I never saw it. Despite A.A. saying “keep an open mind” it simply does not have one. Growth of any kind does not occur in that narrow environment.

There’s much, much more. I’ll have to come back to this.

Spirituality vs the "God" idea. [View all] Stuart G Jan 2012 OP
thanks Stuart NMDemDist2 Jan 2012 #1
Nicely put. Tripod Jan 2012 #2
Agreed and well said Old Codger Jan 2012 #3
Once I invited my higher power back into the driver's seat, tavalon Feb 2012 #15
My own opinion Old Codger Feb 2012 #20
Thank you for that post above. Stuart G Feb 2012 #21
That is cult talk - don't tell the truth, don't make waves. Don't try to make any changes progree Feb 2012 #23
easy there NMDemDist2 Feb 2012 #27
And what you just said, in a nutshell, tavalon Feb 2012 #38
Well Old Codger Feb 2012 #31
Maybe you need to be the next Bill tavalon Feb 2012 #33
Well spoken! tavalon Feb 2012 #36
When I was drinking I was an agnostic. Now after many years of sobriety I have Him with me. Every demosincebirth Feb 2012 #35
Yeah, I think you hit on a sticky spot for some tavalon Feb 2012 #37
I've been sober over three decades -- have met few who don't believe in a Higher Power and there demosincebirth Feb 2012 #39
Kind of hard to endure the religious proselytization about a prayer-answering favor dispensing deity progree Jan 2012 #4
I've met folks from County Drug Court in the rooms Rhiannon12866 Jan 2012 #5
It is a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution progree Jan 2012 #6
In answer to this quote...from above post.. Stuart G Jan 2012 #7
Your last line says it all tavalon Feb 2012 #16
It is not "playing God" to not believe in a prayer-answering favor-dispensing deity - NT progree Feb 2012 #24
There were lots of "I" statements in my post tavalon Feb 2012 #26
there has been much controversy about court ordered attendance for sure NMDemDist2 Jan 2012 #8
All the groups I've been to ... (2) Why I brought all this up progree Jan 2012 #9
i'm sure you're not the only one. i stated that in my first response NMDemDist2 Jan 2012 #10
Its not Bible thumpers that bother me... its the religious proselytization in the 12 Steps and Lit. progree Jan 2012 #11
i dunno NMDemDist2 Jan 2012 #12
What I resent is that it all these characterizations are directed at the agnostic / atheist progree Jan 2012 #14
I do not believe in this, and never have... Stuart G Jan 2012 #13
Prayer to me, is the time that I stop chattering tavalon Feb 2012 #18
Wow, nicely put. Tripod Feb 2012 #22
God in the Steps and literature sure sounds like a deity who does favors and answers prayers .... progree Feb 2012 #32
Wow, I've never been to a program tavalon Feb 2012 #17
The groups that I've been to end the meetings the exact same way Rhiannon12866 Feb 2012 #19
Well, I don't like a generic prayer-answering favor-dispensing deity being crammed down my throat progree Feb 2012 #25
i felt very much as you do NMDemDist2 Feb 2012 #28
Lord's Prayer..????? Stuart G Feb 2012 #29
FWIW, Stuart, my heart heard you loud and clear dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #30
Since you asked... progree Feb 2012 #34
A.A. Members In My Experience mrjackshuman Apr 2013 #40
this post is completely inappropriate for this group and this topic NMDemDist2 Apr 2013 #41
Your experience has not been mine. cordelia Apr 2013 #42
Your rant sounds like a personal problem and not my experience with and in AA. Lil Missy Apr 2013 #43
Nor has this been my experience Rhiannon12866 Apr 2013 #44
As long as you don't question the program, especially its "not religious" claim, you'll be fine n/t progree Apr 2013 #45
Again, not my experience. cordelia Apr 2013 #46
Question if you like..here is what happened last Sunday...at a 12 step meeting........... Stuart G Apr 2013 #47
Thanks for this, terrific answer! Rhiannon12866 Apr 2013 #48
Did he or she question the "not religious" claim or the program, other than ask a question about it? progree Apr 2013 #49
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