Question if you like..here is what happened last Sunday...at a 12 step meeting........... (Reply #47)

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Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:31 PM

Stuart G (29,821 posts)

47. Question if you like..here is what happened last Sunday...at a 12 step meeting...........

A new member was struggling with the higher power deal.. I was leading the meeting...this member produced a picture of a child, (I will leave it at that) and said basically.."my love for this child is some kind of HP...that is what I can come up with.."
.....Now I am leading the meeting, and there are very few members, this member asks me...."is that ok?" I said..sure..that is ok if that is what you want it to be............."
..... I also said this.."There is no higher power police here, we need to be as open as possible, this is a terrible disease......." done..end of deal...no more..nada..good by, hasta la vista....

.........That is how I run it if I am the leader, and someone asks me about it....I only speak for me..what others do, is there business..........Stuart G.

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49 replies	Author	Time	Post
Spirituality vs the "God" idea. [View all]	Stuart G	Jan 2012	OP
thanks Stuart	NMDemDist2	Jan 2012	#1
Nicely put.	Tripod	Jan 2012	#2
Agreed and well said	Old Codger	Jan 2012	#3
Once I invited my higher power back into the driver's seat,	tavalon	Feb 2012	#15
My own opinion	Old Codger	Feb 2012	#20
Thank you for that post above.	Stuart G	Feb 2012	#21
That is cult talk - don't tell the truth, don't make waves. Don't try to make any changes	progree	Feb 2012	#23
easy there	NMDemDist2	Feb 2012	#27
And what you just said, in a nutshell,	tavalon	Feb 2012	#38
Well	Old Codger	Feb 2012	#31
Maybe you need to be the next Bill	tavalon	Feb 2012	#33
Well spoken!	tavalon	Feb 2012	#36
When I was drinking I was an agnostic. Now after many years of sobriety I have Him with me. Every	demosincebirth	Feb 2012	#35
Yeah, I think you hit on a sticky spot for some	tavalon	Feb 2012	#37
I've been sober over three decades -- have met few who don't believe in a Higher Power and there	demosincebirth	Feb 2012	#39
Kind of hard to endure the religious proselytization about a prayer-answering favor dispensing deity	progree	Jan 2012	#4
I've met folks from County Drug Court in the rooms	Rhiannon12866	Jan 2012	#5
It is a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution	progree	Jan 2012	#6
In answer to this quote...from above post..	Stuart G	Jan 2012	#7
Your last line says it all	tavalon	Feb 2012	#16
It is not "playing God" to not believe in a prayer-answering favor-dispensing deity - NT	progree	Feb 2012	#24
There were lots of "I" statements in my post	tavalon	Feb 2012	#26
there has been much controversy about court ordered attendance for sure	NMDemDist2	Jan 2012	#8
All the groups I've been to ... (2) Why I brought all this up	progree	Jan 2012	#9
i'm sure you're not the only one. i stated that in my first response	NMDemDist2	Jan 2012	#10
Its not Bible thumpers that bother me... its the religious proselytization in the 12 Steps and Lit.	progree	Jan 2012	#11
i dunno	NMDemDist2	Jan 2012	#12
What I resent is that it all these characterizations are directed at the agnostic / atheist	progree	Jan 2012	#14
I do not believe in this, and never have...	Stuart G	Jan 2012	#13
Prayer to me, is the time that I stop chattering	tavalon	Feb 2012	#18
Wow, nicely put.	Tripod	Feb 2012	#22
God in the Steps and literature sure sounds like a deity who does favors and answers prayers ....	progree	Feb 2012	#32
Wow, I've never been to a program	tavalon	Feb 2012	#17
The groups that I've been to end the meetings the exact same way	Rhiannon12866	Feb 2012	#19
Well, I don't like a generic prayer-answering favor-dispensing deity being crammed down my throat	progree	Feb 2012	#25
i felt very much as you do	NMDemDist2	Feb 2012	#28
Lord's Prayer..?????	Stuart G	Feb 2012	#29
FWIW, Stuart, my heart heard you loud and clear	dixiegrrrrl	Feb 2012	#30
Since you asked...	progree	Feb 2012	#34
A.A. Members In My Experience	mrjackshuman	Apr 2013	#40
this post is completely inappropriate for this group and this topic	NMDemDist2	Apr 2013	#41
Your experience has not been mine.	cordelia	Apr 2013	#42
Your rant sounds like a personal problem and not my experience with and in AA.	Lil Missy	Apr 2013	#43
Nor has this been my experience	Rhiannon12866	Apr 2013	#44
As long as you don't question the program, especially its "not religious" claim, you'll be fine n/t	progree	Apr 2013	#45
Again, not my experience.	cordelia	Apr 2013	#46
Question if you like..here is what happened last Sunday...at a 12 step meeting...........	Stuart G	Apr 2013	#47
Thanks for this, terrific answer!	Rhiannon12866	Apr 2013	#48
Did he or she question the "not religious" claim or the program, other than ask a question about it?	progree	Apr 2013	#49

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