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wnylib

(21,310 posts)
37. RE: People of the British Isles
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 11:03 AM
Oct 2020

Earliest inhabitants being of African origins makes sense since the first modern humans to spread around the earth were African. Other physical traits evolved later.

But there were periods of "outsider" influx into the British Isles. As early as 300 BC, Phoenicians, Greeks, and then Romans competed for the tin trade in Cornwall and Wales. They established mines and trade settlements among the locals. Jewish traders arrived on Phoenician ships. Roman soldiers from all over the empire were stationed in Britain and many acquired land to settle on when their service time was done. During the tin trade period, before Rome conquered what later became England, there were frequents raids and battles in both directions between the tin settlement areas and Irish tribes, resulting in captives, slaves, and intermating (not always voluntary).

Celtic people in Britain had connections with, and likely originated from Gaul (France) and Belgium (Belgae tribes). Gaul is the Roman word for the Celts. The word Celt comes from the Greek term, Keltoi, for the same people. There was a Celtiberian culture in Spain, composed of Celts and Iberians (from Africa, who gave the peninsula its name).

Old tales in both Ireland and Spain tell of a group from Spain settling in Ireland. The tales are usually discounted as Medieval inventions of Irish monks, but the same legends in Spain suggest maybe a kernel of historic truth underlies the tales. The Spanish believed it because they accepted Irish refugees from wars with England as full citizens of Spain. And in Spanish history there was a tribe called Celti, as well as the Celtiberian culture.

Then there were the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Britain, some of whom had settled down there before the Viking invasions and then fled the Vikings to settle in Ireland. The Normans (mix of French and Scandinavian) who conquered England also fought with the Irish and gained some footholds in parts of Ireland, mostly coastal areas.

Nearly all of the ancient cultures and civilizations practiced enslavement of war captives who were sent wherever they could be sold, so modern people can have quite a genetic mix among our ancestors, regardless of where our most recent ones come from.

I bet she's happy to have more roots now! Karadeniz Oct 2020 #1
No surprises with my own DNA matches The Genealogist Oct 2020 #2
i got in touch w my mom's brother's daughter. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #5
That is a LOT of new relatives to learn about The Genealogist Oct 2020 #11
yeah. my dad was a traveling salesman. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #12
That's exciting! I hope you can help her discover her unknown family MaryMagdaline Oct 2020 #3
i will sure see what i can do. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #6
My husband had something similar happen to him. mommymarine2003 Oct 2020 #4
well, i have to assume that is why the lady did the dna thing. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #7
A friend of mine that has since passed away did the DNA test. He discovered he fathered a doc03 Oct 2020 #8
aint science grand? ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #10
He was so happy about meeting her, he was very ill at the time and doc03 Oct 2020 #13
funny story. when i first did 23/me ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #9
also had a nice chat w a second cousin who still lives in offaly county. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #14
In trying to locate my fourth great grandfather's lineage csziggy Oct 2020 #15
well that's a great euphemism! interesting stuff this science. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #16
Family history is very interesting csziggy Oct 2020 #23
well, that english ggrandma doesnt seem to have left much of a trace. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #24
My only Irish ancestors were Protestants probably brought in by the English csziggy Oct 2020 #25
hmmm. well, no spanish, and the only african was sub saharan. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #26
Moorish is an old broad term, just as "Arab" or "Muslim" are today csziggy Oct 2020 #27
but no birth certs. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #28
Yeah, lots of families with no birth certificates csziggy Oct 2020 #31
i will check. there was a baby that died. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #32
RE: People of the British Isles wnylib Oct 2020 #37
Thank you for that detailed discussion! csziggy Oct 2020 #38
So true. There are no "pure" ethnicities. wnylib Oct 2020 #39
Learning the history and stories of my ancestors was what got me hooked on geneaology csziggy Oct 2020 #40
There is Native American ancestry in my family, too. wnylib Oct 2020 #41
We also have a mix of physical characteristics in the different families csziggy Oct 2020 #42
If your cousin is a direct line wnylib Oct 2020 #43
Yeah, my cousin showed no Native American DNA at all csziggy Oct 2020 #44
We know from craft items handed down wnylib Oct 2020 #45
The good news is that DNA results for Native Americans are more accurate now csziggy Oct 2020 #46
Goodness! Your family's history parallels mine. wnylib Oct 2020 #47
Yes, I agree. The only reason I'd like to know where I cam from is to understand csziggy Oct 2020 #48
My ancestors had a farm near wnylib Oct 2020 #49
Please help her customerserviceguy Oct 2020 #17
oh i am happy to. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #18
Good, I'm glad to hear that customerserviceguy Oct 2020 #19
well, you can just upload to the site. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #20
Great, that makes it easy customerserviceguy Oct 2020 #21
yeah. different goals. you want to narrow it down, and i want to expand. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #22
As an adoptee & advocate, I'm so very glad you're helping her... WePurrsevere Oct 2020 #29
i wonder, tho. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #30
The 'removed' thing myccrider Oct 2020 #34
Is through Ancestry.com? myccrider Oct 2020 #33
this was my heritage. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #35
Yeah, Ancestry has been getting bad, myccrider Oct 2020 #36
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