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Starboard Tack

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12. Well, I come from the school of traditional grammar
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 01:04 PM
Aug 2014

I haven't delved too deeply into Chomskyan theory on transformational grammar.

I must admit that I had my doubts about this, and still do to a degree. The subjunctive mood has become fairly redundant in English, unfortunately. Few people seem to use it in contemporary English, and those who do are seldom conscious of doing so, let alone explaining it.
My familiarity with the subjunctive comes mainly from my knowledge of romance languages, which actually gave me reason to pause in this case.
"I saw it happen" translates into all romance languages with "happen" being used in the infinitive, rather than the subjunctive.

For example:
French: "j'ai vu ça se passer" or "je l'ai vu se passer"
Italian: "l'ho visto succedere"
Spanish:"lo vi pasar"

"I saw him eat" translates as "L'ho visto mangiare" (Italian) or Je l'ai vu manger (French), or "lo vi comer" (Spanish)

So, I don't want to commit to my previous answer, yet. I did email an English professor who confirmed my original determination that it was "past subjunctive", but I'd like a second or third opinion on that.


Looks like "it happen" is the object of the verb "saw". Scuba Aug 2014 #1
It does look that way. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2014 #2
The mood could be sad, happy, disappointed - depends on what "it" was. Scuba Aug 2014 #3
Now that's funny. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2014 #4
Your explanation depends on your theory. Igel Aug 2014 #5
Thank you for the scholarly reply, but Lionel Mandrake Aug 2014 #6
I saw it happen Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #7
It's true that the subject or object of a sentence can be a clause, Lionel Mandrake Aug 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #9
The main verb is "saw" Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #10
I agree Lionel Mandrake Aug 2014 #11
Well, I come from the school of traditional grammar Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #12
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