Gun Control & RKBA

SteveW

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25. I've had a number of "does not exist" responses...

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:07 PM

Dec 2011

when I suggested a re-opening of the question about making the NICS test universal, even offering problem areas and possible solutions. As a rule, no response.

I think the reason is that "reasonableness" to most controllers is requiring a priori:

(1) Registration of all gun-owners and the guns they own;
(2) Making concealed carry illegal, or at the discretion of LEOs (so only special people can get a license); and most important
(3) Establishing the principle that the government can in the future place any restrictions on civilian gun-ownership it wishes.

A "universal NICS" does seem rather paltry in that light.

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What defines "reasonable restrictions"? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 OP

Think in this context... MicaelS Dec 2011 #1

Excellent point! OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #3

Thorny questions one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #6

Here the issue of minors comes into play DissedByBush Dec 2011 #11

Nor do I one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #16

Technicalities DissedByBush Dec 2011 #27

Sure fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #37

sure I am! iverglas Jan 2012 #60

I think banning third-trimester abortions is a reasonable restriction Common Sense Party Jan 2012 #67

well good for you, chum! iverglas Jan 2012 #68

You're not nearly as clever as you think you are. Common Sense Party Jan 2012 #75

"hostile"? iverglas Jan 2012 #77

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #78

oh dear, nothing to quote, I see iverglas Jan 2012 #80

There you go again. Common Sense Party Jan 2012 #82

I do indeed iverglas Jan 2012 #87

You are challenging the most sacred, most liberal, most progressive, most important of all rights! TPaine7 Jan 2012 #69

huh iverglas Jan 2012 #74

Restrictions that are within the ability rrneck Dec 2011 #2

...and still Wayne Lapierre with fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #38

I'm sure you can provide a cite for that claim, right? DonP Dec 2011 #43

Wand Rape fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #50

Parts of it gejohnston Dec 2011 #53

Read Thread fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #56

Florida has what I consider "reasonable restrictions" ... spin Dec 2011 #4

another question is gejohnston Dec 2011 #5

I think the real question is -- Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #7

see my post 59 iverglas Jan 2012 #61

I asked that a few years back and got abusive and irrational hysterics in response TPaine7 Dec 2011 #8

I would like to see something along the lines of -- Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #9

Some initial reactions DissedByBush Dec 2011 #12

For the most part, I agree with you on these. Having to purchase a product to exercise a SlimJimmy Dec 2011 #24

Of course you have to purchase a gun DissedByBush Dec 2011 #26

You COULD concievably make one... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #28

The question is the reason for the cost DissedByBush Dec 2011 #31

I agree with you 100%. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #35

Agree, well stated. SlimJimmy Dec 2011 #36

There's a Constitutional Right to Cheap Guns? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #39

You know if you worked at it ... just a little ... you could be even less informed DonP Dec 2011 #40

What part of that fact do you disagree with? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #42

The post did not imply that DonP Dec 2011 #44

Read Post 31 Again fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #47

Wrong as usual... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #57

No, that's not a fact. PavePusher Dec 2011 #45

No, but there is a Constitutional Right.... PavePusher Dec 2011 #46

In order to make sure poor people couldn't get guns DissedByBush Dec 2011 #49

Banning and Taxing are Different Things fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #51

Not when it comes to Constitutionally protected activities. See "Minneapolis Star v. Minnesota"... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #54

Ridiculous fightthegoodfightnow Jan 2012 #95

It is when the taxes act to limit availability. And there are already taxes on guns and ammo. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #99

Not if the "tax"... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #71

Ban? fightthegoodfightnow Jan 2012 #96

not recent but gejohnston Jan 2012 #98

No i cannot We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #102

Well let’s see…. MicaelS Dec 2011 #13

Please keep in mind -- my bullet list was NOT recommendations Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #14

Sure I undertand that... MicaelS Dec 2011 #15

I've had a number of "does not exist" responses... SteveW Dec 2011 #25

"abusive and irrational hysterics" iverglas Jan 2012 #65

Yes, abusive and irrational hysterics. TPaine7 Jan 2012 #70

I'm sorry; I forgot to answer iverglas Jan 2012 #88

"What a spectacle " MicaelS Jan 2012 #72

gosh iverglas Jan 2012 #73

Jurors have axes to grind? Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #84

hahahaha iverglas Jan 2012 #92

Depends on who you are DissedByBush Dec 2011 #10

yes, it is the actions that need to discussed and "restricted" Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #30

I think we mostly agree on restricted actions already DissedByBush Dec 2011 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #34

What I don't understand is We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #17

Well, I invite the advocates of reasonable restrictions to define that term Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #18

That's the thing though... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #19

It might be argued that background checks are reasonable Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #20

Well except that... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #21

I dunno. The law would state its illegal for covicted felons to own Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #22

But a felon knows he is ineligible... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #23

You wouldn't believe DissedByBush Dec 2011 #33

It reminds me of the Army DissedByBush Dec 2011 #29

Right.... fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #41

seatbelts sylveste Dec 2011 #48

Good luck with that... fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2011 #52

You mean that CCW licenses should be honored universally, like driver's licenses... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #55

Wish For? fightthegoodfightnow Jan 2012 #106

Lets look at this... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #58

since you ask ... iverglas Jan 2012 #59

um Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #63

hm iverglas Jan 2012 #64

Thank-you for your replies Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #66

Re. mandatory registration: Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #85

Yes, political surveys rarely contain validity checks to ensure that the answers are meaningful slackmaster Jan 2012 #101

It's a war of words. Reasonable restrictions versus compromise. Remmah2 Jan 2012 #62

Reasonable? Fredjust Jan 2012 #76

Or the Swiss model gejohnston Jan 2012 #79

Perhaps Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #81

The Supreme Court isn't always right... Fredjust Jan 2012 #86

Nope sorry - you're wrong. We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #91

And here I thought "judicial activism" was a solely RW complaint Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #93

death spewers? rrneck Jan 2012 #83

They can take my death spewer when they pry it from my cold dead hands. Remmah2 Jan 2012 #89

If you're armed and they're not I wonder how that is supposed to work. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #94

If you see no purpose... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #90

Not One Thing? fightthegoodfightnow Jan 2012 #97

Yeah really We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #103

Boogy Man Logic fightthegoodfightnow Jan 2012 #104

PS fightthegoodfightnow Jan 2012 #105

Hehe... ellisonz Jan 2012 #107

death spewers...instant classic. disdeathspew the public NOW! it's for the childrenz. ileus Jan 2012 #100