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intaglio

(8,170 posts)
8. There are 2 options here
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:36 AM
Jan 2013

One is that you are deliberately misinterpreting this to further some agenda you find attractive ... the other is that you lack reading comprehension skills.

The article points out the well attested statistics that in "gun rights" states there is an increase in successful suicides (and in total suicide attempts both successful an unsuccessful). The reason for this is well understood, guns make suicide seem easy and pretty painless; they also can be used on impulse.

Look at the alternatives:
Knives can be used on impulse but there is a lot of pain, mess and a lot of error;
Drugs are hit or miss or successful failure, the last being you hang on for weeks whilst your body fails from the effects (Paracetamol is horrendous in this respect);
Hanging takes planning and some time to effect successfully, add in the well known flying head effect from a long drop and it is messy too;
Car crashes are probably more common method than is known from the statistics because it is, probably, the ultimate impulse method (other than guns) and pretty survivable given modern car safety measures;
CO poisoning, possible but takes a fair amount of planning and equipment;
Jumping from cliffs/bridges needs a suitable cliff or bridge, a plan to be able to get there and an attractive venue - see the "popularity" of the Golden Gate bridge, The Menai Gorge bridge and Beachy Head.

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Gun Rights Increase Suicides [View all] mikeb302000 Jan 2013 OP
I don't know why people don't choose pills... dkf Jan 2013 #1
Less certain to be successful. Lionessa Jan 2013 #4
Not at all ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #5
Statistically speaking, yes. Lionessa Jan 2013 #6
Not always BigAlanMac Jan 2013 #7
How do they do it so successfully in Japan? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #25
Because there were no suicides ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #2
There are 2 options here intaglio Jan 2013 #8
Blaming suicide on firearms ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #9
That is an oversimplication iiibbb Jan 2013 #12
Another reading comprehension fail intaglio Jan 2013 #19
Somehow it seems more humane to allow a successful Lionessa Jan 2013 #3
in japan suicide is honorable jimmy the one Jan 2013 #10
That firearms are a more effective mode of suicide does not suprise me iiibbb Jan 2013 #11
If someone suggested that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #13
Are you kidding me... the proliferation of child pornography is all internet iiibbb Jan 2013 #15
Yes, it is evil and... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #21
Absolutely. There are plenty of studies to back this up. DanTex Jan 2013 #14
Pot meet kettle... iiibbb Jan 2013 #16
So do you have a comment on the Harvard Public Health studies? DanTex Jan 2013 #18
I had my comment. I said I agreed with it's findings and I didn't argue against it. iiibbb Jan 2013 #20
Guns suicide people. ileus Jan 2013 #17
I re-learned a hard reality of suicide last year slackmaster Jan 2013 #22
Of course gun ownership increases the likelihood of successful suicide... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #23
Very well said! cmclane28 Jan 2013 #33
What about almost Gun Free JAPAN generalhh Jan 2013 #24
The make murder suicide far easier as well MightyMopar Jan 2013 #26
but Japan has more murder suicide than you seem to think gejohnston Jan 2013 #27
A person should have the right to bring their life to an end if they so choose. Undismayed Jan 2013 #28
Scientists have concluded that correalation is not causation. Another Fail by Mikey! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #29
I think unemployment, poverty, and uncontrolled mental illness is probably a bigger factor. bubbayugga Jan 2013 #30
suicide in japan, generally not dishonorable jimmy the one Jan 2013 #31
actually is second behind South Korea gejohnston Jan 2013 #32
This individual case poses an interesting question sylvi Jan 2013 #34
Speech rights... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #35
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