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jimmy the one

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10. in japan suicide is honorable
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:24 AM
Jan 2013
Blaming suicide on firearms ... is like blaming obesity on french fries

.. I don't follow the analogy, you can't eat a french fry on the spur of the moment & make yourself die. French fry eating would be incrementally insidious over a long period, like smoking cigs, whereas the gun is instantaneous death. I frequently heard from smokers 'One cigarette won't kill you', but never heard that from a gunowner about a gun.
If you just mean 'easy access' to both fries & guns, better, but still leaks. And it's not 'firearms' per se that is the reason for increased suicides, but the personal or familial ownership of firearms. That is, a gun in your house, accessible.

Some factoids:1 Suicide done by gun is ~85% successful, by other means ~20%.
2 The low caliber 22 is either most popular for gunsuicides, or amongst the highest used. One of the least potently lethal guns is used more than other calibers because the 22 is one of the most popular guns. It's really misleading tho, since guns 'other than 22s' are used in the vast majority of suicides, like 80%(?) (dunno fersure).

3 the next choice for suicides I believe is jumping from high places, but you can imagine the awful non fatal lasting injury from these attempts, & falling off is not as lethal as guns of course, overall.

4 In japan, which essentially bans guns to everyone, they have a suicide rate comparable to US, but don't start the progun rant just yet. In japan you can collect on life insurance if you suicide, so a desperate father who jumps out the tokyo skyscraper is not a degenerate but somewhat a savior to his family for providing for them for the future, akin to their code of bushido was it? where self inflicted death was honorable (hiri kiri).

Even a japanese mother whose husband is cheating on her or abusing her, can kill her young children & then suicide, and she is not held to be some evil monster, but somewhat justified in her revenge, by depriving her lousy husband of future joy. Weird, but is more the reason for japanese suicide. Neither of these reasons are 'honorable' in america.

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Gun Rights Increase Suicides [View all] mikeb302000 Jan 2013 OP
I don't know why people don't choose pills... dkf Jan 2013 #1
Less certain to be successful. Lionessa Jan 2013 #4
Not at all ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #5
Statistically speaking, yes. Lionessa Jan 2013 #6
Not always BigAlanMac Jan 2013 #7
How do they do it so successfully in Japan? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #25
Because there were no suicides ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #2
There are 2 options here intaglio Jan 2013 #8
Blaming suicide on firearms ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #9
That is an oversimplication iiibbb Jan 2013 #12
Another reading comprehension fail intaglio Jan 2013 #19
Somehow it seems more humane to allow a successful Lionessa Jan 2013 #3
in japan suicide is honorable jimmy the one Jan 2013 #10
That firearms are a more effective mode of suicide does not suprise me iiibbb Jan 2013 #11
If someone suggested that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #13
Are you kidding me... the proliferation of child pornography is all internet iiibbb Jan 2013 #15
Yes, it is evil and... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #21
Absolutely. There are plenty of studies to back this up. DanTex Jan 2013 #14
Pot meet kettle... iiibbb Jan 2013 #16
So do you have a comment on the Harvard Public Health studies? DanTex Jan 2013 #18
I had my comment. I said I agreed with it's findings and I didn't argue against it. iiibbb Jan 2013 #20
Guns suicide people. ileus Jan 2013 #17
I re-learned a hard reality of suicide last year slackmaster Jan 2013 #22
Of course gun ownership increases the likelihood of successful suicide... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #23
Very well said! cmclane28 Jan 2013 #33
What about almost Gun Free JAPAN generalhh Jan 2013 #24
The make murder suicide far easier as well MightyMopar Jan 2013 #26
but Japan has more murder suicide than you seem to think gejohnston Jan 2013 #27
A person should have the right to bring their life to an end if they so choose. Undismayed Jan 2013 #28
Scientists have concluded that correalation is not causation. Another Fail by Mikey! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #29
I think unemployment, poverty, and uncontrolled mental illness is probably a bigger factor. bubbayugga Jan 2013 #30
suicide in japan, generally not dishonorable jimmy the one Jan 2013 #31
actually is second behind South Korea gejohnston Jan 2013 #32
This individual case poses an interesting question sylvi Jan 2013 #34
Speech rights... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #35
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