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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
14. Absolutely. There are plenty of studies to back this up.
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:38 AM
Jan 2013

One of the most amusing aspects of the gun debate is watching gun nuts profess to be experts in a wide variety of areas that they have no clue about. I'll concede that most gun fanatics know the names of all the different parts of a gun, but they tend to be pretty ignorant outside of that small realm.

Which is why so many pro-gunners end up saying dumb things like "people who want to kill themselves will find a way to do it no matter what the means". This ,of course, goes against what experts on suicide have found in study after study -- for example, see the links from the Harvard School of Public Health below. Really, it says more about the pro-gunners than it does about suicide -- it shows that most pro-gun advocates really are not interested in the facts, they will simply say anything in order to support their political views.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/

Most efforts to prevent suicide focus on why people take their lives. But as we understand more about who attempts suicide and when and where and why, it becomes increasingly clear that how a person attempts--the means they use--plays a key role in whether they live or die.

"Means reduction" (reducing the odds that an attempter will use highly lethal means) is an important part of a comprehensive approach to suicide prevention. It is based on the following understandings (click on each to learn more):

Many suicide attempts occur impulsively during a crisis.
Intent isn't all that determines whether an attempter lives or dies; means also matter.
90% of attempters who survive do NOT go on to die by suicide later.
Access to firearms is a risk factor for suicide.
Firearms used in youth suicide usually belong to a parent.
Reducing access to lethal means saves lives.
Firearm access can be a politically-charged topic. This website, however, is designed to introduce a non-controversial, "lethal means counseling" approach to reducing a suicidal person's access to firearms and other lethal means.

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Gun Rights Increase Suicides [View all] mikeb302000 Jan 2013 OP
I don't know why people don't choose pills... dkf Jan 2013 #1
Less certain to be successful. Lionessa Jan 2013 #4
Not at all ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #5
Statistically speaking, yes. Lionessa Jan 2013 #6
Not always BigAlanMac Jan 2013 #7
How do they do it so successfully in Japan? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #25
Because there were no suicides ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #2
There are 2 options here intaglio Jan 2013 #8
Blaming suicide on firearms ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #9
That is an oversimplication iiibbb Jan 2013 #12
Another reading comprehension fail intaglio Jan 2013 #19
Somehow it seems more humane to allow a successful Lionessa Jan 2013 #3
in japan suicide is honorable jimmy the one Jan 2013 #10
That firearms are a more effective mode of suicide does not suprise me iiibbb Jan 2013 #11
If someone suggested that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #13
Are you kidding me... the proliferation of child pornography is all internet iiibbb Jan 2013 #15
Yes, it is evil and... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #21
Absolutely. There are plenty of studies to back this up. DanTex Jan 2013 #14
Pot meet kettle... iiibbb Jan 2013 #16
So do you have a comment on the Harvard Public Health studies? DanTex Jan 2013 #18
I had my comment. I said I agreed with it's findings and I didn't argue against it. iiibbb Jan 2013 #20
Guns suicide people. ileus Jan 2013 #17
I re-learned a hard reality of suicide last year slackmaster Jan 2013 #22
Of course gun ownership increases the likelihood of successful suicide... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #23
Very well said! cmclane28 Jan 2013 #33
What about almost Gun Free JAPAN generalhh Jan 2013 #24
The make murder suicide far easier as well MightyMopar Jan 2013 #26
but Japan has more murder suicide than you seem to think gejohnston Jan 2013 #27
A person should have the right to bring their life to an end if they so choose. Undismayed Jan 2013 #28
Scientists have concluded that correalation is not causation. Another Fail by Mikey! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #29
I think unemployment, poverty, and uncontrolled mental illness is probably a bigger factor. bubbayugga Jan 2013 #30
suicide in japan, generally not dishonorable jimmy the one Jan 2013 #31
actually is second behind South Korea gejohnston Jan 2013 #32
This individual case poses an interesting question sylvi Jan 2013 #34
Speech rights... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #35
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