Gun Control & RKBA

iiibbb

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64. Why penalize the gun owner who might only be a vicitim of crime themselves.

Reply to Squinch (Reply #60)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:16 AM

Jan 2013

In what world do we penalize victims of other crimes?

Give me an example.

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I wonder... [View all] virginia mountainman Jan 2013 OP

public hanging is fine. lastlib Jan 2013 #1

Ok, who is going to do it? You? virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #3

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #16

since when were liberals for the death penalty? gejohnston Jan 2013 #21

I'm for the death penalty as long as someone is proved guilty MightyMopar Jan 2013 #22

there are only three reasons to kill gejohnston Jan 2013 #23

Despite popar belief, African elephants Jenoch Jan 2013 #28

I understand the utilitarian part gejohnston Jan 2013 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author MightyMopar Jan 2013 #44

that's ironic, gejohnston Jan 2013 #46

I'm from an almost rural union background of 25% Scots-Irish heritage & know the history of "redneck MightyMopar Jan 2013 #156

same here gejohnston Jan 2013 #162

There have been many people, Jenoch Jan 2013 #27

exactly. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #76

Changing the subject again. Who said anything about kangaroo courts? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #116

Do you mean prior to your post? Jenoch Jan 2013 #119

You mean like in the red states we have now? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #121

You mean like California? Jenoch Jan 2013 #125

Criticizing our most Demcratic state for no good reason after I criticized red states. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #127

you assume a lot gejohnston Jan 2013 #131

Not criticizing, just pointing out a fact. Jenoch Jan 2013 #132

Well at least we know exactly where you stand on the Death Penalty. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #150

IRONIC THAT THE GUN GUYS HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER THEMSELVES MightyMopar Jan 2013 #151

I've never been a Judge, never served on a Jury except on DU, and have NEVER executed a human. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #152

Why didn't the Constitution you love so much outlaw the death penalty? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #154

You can dance, dance, dance. You can try to walk your words back. YOU SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #157

AND MightyMoper would be HAPPY (his own words) to be the person who pulls the handle on the gallows. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #158

I SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY IN A DEMOCRATIC STATE WITH PROPER CHECKS AND BALANCES MightyMopar Jan 2013 #159

There ya go. THE STATE will get it right... huh? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #160

Democratic government is better than some yahoo with a gun like George Zimmerman MightyMopar Jan 2013 #161

Does a person have a right to use a firearm for self defense when he is under attack by ... spin Jan 2013 #164

Does this mean that we should have you on suicide watch? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #8

Lastlib.... NEG Jan 2013 #12

nasty post. disgusting rude, gross and ott. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #15

+1 this ^^^ :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #32

You are in good company. guardian Jan 2013 #31

the operative word being "good" there -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #34

Public hanging after a trial isn't lynching but don't let facts get in the way MightyMopar Jan 2013 #45

so, I should put you down as a Democrat that is fine with Capital Punishment ?? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #74

Yep, I'm for capital punishment with very strong proof of the crime with checks and balances MightyMopar Jan 2013 #79

how barbarian and regressive of you. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #82

Yeah, capital punishment is barbaric but these wacky gun laws the US suffers under is civilized? Ok MightyMopar Jan 2013 #90

the one does not negate the other. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #92

Japan also has capitol punishment gejohnston Jan 2013 #95

Where did anyone call for that? Trying to muddy the waters? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #99

no, but there are those who do gejohnston Jan 2013 #101

Which "rant"? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #106

They'll just make it double against the law not to comply shadowrider Jan 2013 #2

Just use armored robots and nanobots MightyMopar Jan 2013 #17

Leave... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #33

Why are there Berserker Jan 2013 #39

Post-Sandy-Hook DU has really opened my eyes, that's for sure. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #49

Really, DU isn't socially liberal because many want the same gun laws other liberal nations have MightyMopar Jan 2013 #80

Australian gun laws were passed by a gejohnston Jan 2013 #83

So you're saying liberal Australians didn't support these gun laws? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #85

no I didn't say that gejohnston Jan 2013 #93

Just wanted clarification, it could be interpreted liberals were against these successful laws MightyMopar Jan 2013 #96

since it didn't lower the murder or gejohnston Jan 2013 #100

Once again changing the subject. Here's a article saying homicides and suicides went down MightyMopar Jan 2013 #102

so? gejohnston Jan 2013 #105

Since that wasn't remotely my argument... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #86

So you are saying other nation with these gun laws aren't more liberal than the USA? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #87

Yet another straw man. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #89

"This is not a particularly liberal community in any real sense" Come on that's just not true MightyMopar Jan 2013 #104

Straw man #3! Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #112

So how isn't this a liberal community? Because it doesn't agree with you? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #114

And we have a foursome! Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #144

My thoughts OctOct1 Jan 2013 #4

aww but a felon with a DUI gejohnston Jan 2013 #5

You are correct... virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #7

yea, Mooshiners, pot growers....Yea, they ALWAYS end up following the law... virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #38

That's why it's not going to happen DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #9

The chances of passing a ban is slim to none ... spin Jan 2013 #11

Cheer on your TEA PARTY buddies MightyMopar Jan 2013 #18

I didn't see cheering, I saw a simple statement of fact gejohnston Jan 2013 #20

Ok, "concern troll" propaganda about supposedly insurmountable republican power MightyMopar Jan 2013 #36

Regardless of the reason, the political end result is the same. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #50

No it isn 't! Force the Pukes to defend the laPierre and NRA and we gain political capital MightyMopar Jan 2013 #98

Unfortunately for you, the NRA might be replaced by... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #134

The total vote for the US House Jenoch Jan 2013 #124

An interesting problem... jmg257 Jan 2013 #10

i bet if this happens at-least 10,000 Americans will die at the hands of other Americans min. generalhh Jan 2013 #13

Thanks for the response! Very good to get a wider view of...the views of others. jmg257 Jan 2013 #14

MORE AMERICANS KILLED BY GUNS THAN BY WAR IN THE 20TH CENTURY MightyMopar Jan 2013 #19

I think that what I find most illuminating LibertyFox Jan 2013 #25

But between 1979 and 1997, 278,865 homicides! Did you miss that part MightyMopar Jan 2013 #37

The idea of... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #66

Some flaws Lurks Often Jan 2013 #97

I don't presume anything. I do think jmg257 Jan 2013 #136

We're going to disagree Lurks Often Jan 2013 #153

Agree. I am not sure of the level of support either...why I always jmg257 Jan 2013 #155

Punish the innocent gun owner even more??? ileus Jan 2013 #24

All the guns will never be confiscated no matter what is done. It's logistically impossible. Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #26

It seems like you are in favor Jenoch Jan 2013 #29

It seems you are having reading comprehension difficulties. Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #35

Then why did you suggest this? Jenoch Jan 2013 #40

Again, read the whole post. Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #41

Of course I read it and understand the Jenoch Jan 2013 #42

Well, I believe you suggesting Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #43

Ah, paid informers. Yes, the East German system should work quite well here. n/t PavePusher Jan 2013 #113

Simple. If they are caught bowens43 Jan 2013 #30

Wait... what? We kill "potentially" violent criminals? Really? iiibbb Jan 2013 #48

You intentionally misread the post. Why? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #54

You mean people who violate the law - "criminals"? baldguy Jan 2013 #51

I'm sure you abide by each and every law that is out there that you don't agree with iiibbb Jan 2013 #53

When I go over the speed limit when I drive, I don't pretend it's a political statement. baldguy Jan 2013 #55

I'm sure speed limits are the only laws you break iiibbb Jan 2013 #57

You think people SHOULD NOT be held responsable for their actions? baldguy Jan 2013 #62

Do you think governments should do whatever they want? iiibbb Jan 2013 #63

You don't understand how democracies work, do you? baldguy Jan 2013 #69

You don't seem to know how this one works either iiibbb Jan 2013 #70

How many neighbors have you busted for media piracy? iiibbb Jan 2013 #58

It seems that there has been a nationwide wink at violators of current laws. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #52

Here is my proposal: if you own a gun, and it is used in the commission of a crime Squinch Jan 2013 #56

Here is my proposal iiibbb Jan 2013 #59

But you also have to penalize the gun owner if he is not the same person who committed the crime. Squinch Jan 2013 #60

Why penalize the gun owner who might only be a vicitim of crime themselves. iiibbb Jan 2013 #64

If the gun owner has not sufficiently secured the gun, and the gun has been stolen and used to Squinch Jan 2013 #67

Define "sufficiently secured" iiibbb Jan 2013 #71

Then get better safes. It's your responsibility that that doesn't happen. I don't care how you do Squinch Jan 2013 #73

"You" made it your problem when you said I need a safe and the government defined ... iiibbb Jan 2013 #75

I am saying that there needs to be a new law. You are responsible for the crimes Squinch Jan 2013 #117

Why is the state recommending a safe, and the following by saying that that safe isn't acceptable. iiibbb Jan 2013 #137

Please review the thread. The OP asked for suggestions on how to deal with people who Squinch Jan 2013 #149

Hmm... geek_sabre Jan 2013 #68

Only if they have already been registered. Otherwise you don't get the pass. Squinch Jan 2013 #72

They won't, the folks advocating prohibition 90 years ago.... Riftaxe Jan 2013 #61

Ahhh, more apocalyptic fantasies and threats... Pholus Jan 2013 #65

Since so many replies have expressed such confidence in the enforcement of such a law... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #77

The question is for you -- how would you deal with the ones that would? Pholus Jan 2013 #78

I'm not sure I understand your point... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #84

Your deliberate ignorance is not unexpected. Pholus Jan 2013 #94

Just keep thinking... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #103

78% of Democrats support gun control. Electorate is swinging to non white people who agree with Dems MightyMopar Jan 2013 #107

"Gun control"... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #108

I'll take a little at a time as the the country becomes more urabn and less reactionary whites MightyMopar Jan 2013 #109

Out of curiosity... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #110

I'm for doing what France is doing, putting breathlyzers in new cars MightyMopar Jan 2013 #148

Racism, classism and geographical bigotry. Stay classy now. n/t PavePusher Jan 2013 #115

Please clarify. fanjunkare Jan 2013 #168

I will keep thinking as long as some of you keep providing evidence. Pholus Jan 2013 #122

By that same token... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #126

disagree = "condescension, dismissiveness and political grandstanding" Pholus Jan 2013 #143

Replace them with those who will enforce the laws like we have in the past MightyMopar Jan 2013 #81

You seem to think... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #88

Polling strongly support the assertion that blacks and Hispanics are anti-gun MightyMopar Jan 2013 #91

based on polls by gejohnston Jan 2013 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author MightyMopar Jan 2013 #118

Polls from CBS. What polls do you have? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #120

Let's see the questions gejohnston Jan 2013 #123

So you're defending Gallup on a Democratic website? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #129

I have never heard the claim about Gallup, so it is new to me gejohnston Jan 2013 #130

Really? Just Google "Gallup republican bias" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #133

Just Google "Frank Luntz" or "It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #135

Consider Reviewing Some Asian Models - Stiff Penalties Up To And Including The Death Penalty cantbeserious Jan 2013 #128

Killing people... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #138

If Society Chooses To Send A Strong Message To Those That Commit Murder By Firearm cantbeserious Jan 2013 #139

I'm not Asian. Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #140

There Are Very Stiff Penalties For Using A Fire Arm In Many Countries - Asian Countries Seem Representative cantbeserious Jan 2013 #142

Seems like the NRA was right.. virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #141

Your guns scare the government less than a smartphone MightyMopar Jan 2013 #145

Why are they scared? virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #146

In case you break any laws and they need to protect the rest of us MightyMopar Jan 2013 #147

Not too worried, they don't even enforce the laws already on the books.. virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #163

A fascinating thread where gungeoneers announce they are above the law because Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #165

pot smokers do it all the time gejohnston Jan 2013 #166

Pot smokers are arrested all the time. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #167

Throw their ass in jail. Confiscate their property. mwrguy Jan 2013 #169

Ok, who are you going to get, to do that? virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #170

Police and military. mwrguy Jan 2013 #171