Gun Control & RKBA

MightyMopar

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85. So you're saying liberal Australians didn't support these gun laws?

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:52 PM

Jan 2013

Brothers in arms, yes, but the US needs to get rid of its guns

August 1, 2012

John Howard

Australia was right to take a different path to the US and opt for gun control

The national gun control laws delivered by the Howard government, following this tragedy received bipartisan support. They, nonetheless, caused internal difficulties for some of my then National Party colleagues. Tim Fischer and John Anderson, then leader and deputy leader of the National Party federally, as well as Rob Borbidge, then National Party premier of Queensland, courageously faced down opponents in their own ranks to support a measure they knew to be in the national interest. Many believed, in the months that followed, that hostility towards these gun laws played a role in the emergence of Pauline Hanson's One Nation cause.

These national gun laws have proven beneficial. Research published in 2010 in the American Journal of Law and Economics found that firearm homicides, in Australia, dropped 59 per cent between 1995 and 2006. There was no offsetting increase in non-firearm-related murders. Researchers at Harvard University in 2011 revealed that in the 18 years prior to the 1996 Australian laws, there were 13 gun massacres (four or more fatalities) in Australia, resulting in 102 deaths. There have been none in that category since the Port Arthur laws.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/brothers-in-arms-yes-but-the-us-needs-to-get-rid-of-its-guns-20120731-23ct7.html#ixzz2HDdch04F

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I wonder... [View all] virginia mountainman Jan 2013 OP

public hanging is fine. lastlib Jan 2013 #1

Ok, who is going to do it? You? virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #3

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #16

since when were liberals for the death penalty? gejohnston Jan 2013 #21

I'm for the death penalty as long as someone is proved guilty MightyMopar Jan 2013 #22

there are only three reasons to kill gejohnston Jan 2013 #23

Despite popar belief, African elephants Jenoch Jan 2013 #28

I understand the utilitarian part gejohnston Jan 2013 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author MightyMopar Jan 2013 #44

that's ironic, gejohnston Jan 2013 #46

I'm from an almost rural union background of 25% Scots-Irish heritage & know the history of "redneck MightyMopar Jan 2013 #156

same here gejohnston Jan 2013 #162

There have been many people, Jenoch Jan 2013 #27

exactly. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #76

Changing the subject again. Who said anything about kangaroo courts? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #116

Do you mean prior to your post? Jenoch Jan 2013 #119

You mean like in the red states we have now? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #121

You mean like California? Jenoch Jan 2013 #125

Criticizing our most Demcratic state for no good reason after I criticized red states. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #127

you assume a lot gejohnston Jan 2013 #131

Not criticizing, just pointing out a fact. Jenoch Jan 2013 #132

Well at least we know exactly where you stand on the Death Penalty. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #150

IRONIC THAT THE GUN GUYS HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER THEMSELVES MightyMopar Jan 2013 #151

I've never been a Judge, never served on a Jury except on DU, and have NEVER executed a human. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #152

Why didn't the Constitution you love so much outlaw the death penalty? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #154

You can dance, dance, dance. You can try to walk your words back. YOU SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #157

AND MightyMoper would be HAPPY (his own words) to be the person who pulls the handle on the gallows. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #158

I SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY IN A DEMOCRATIC STATE WITH PROPER CHECKS AND BALANCES MightyMopar Jan 2013 #159

There ya go. THE STATE will get it right... huh? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #160

Democratic government is better than some yahoo with a gun like George Zimmerman MightyMopar Jan 2013 #161

Does a person have a right to use a firearm for self defense when he is under attack by ... spin Jan 2013 #164

Does this mean that we should have you on suicide watch? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #8

Lastlib.... NEG Jan 2013 #12

nasty post. disgusting rude, gross and ott. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #15

+1 this ^^^ :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #32

You are in good company. guardian Jan 2013 #31

the operative word being "good" there -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #34

Public hanging after a trial isn't lynching but don't let facts get in the way MightyMopar Jan 2013 #45

so, I should put you down as a Democrat that is fine with Capital Punishment ?? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #74

Yep, I'm for capital punishment with very strong proof of the crime with checks and balances MightyMopar Jan 2013 #79

how barbarian and regressive of you. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #82

Yeah, capital punishment is barbaric but these wacky gun laws the US suffers under is civilized? Ok MightyMopar Jan 2013 #90

the one does not negate the other. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #92

Japan also has capitol punishment gejohnston Jan 2013 #95

Where did anyone call for that? Trying to muddy the waters? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #99

no, but there are those who do gejohnston Jan 2013 #101

Which "rant"? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #106

They'll just make it double against the law not to comply shadowrider Jan 2013 #2

Just use armored robots and nanobots MightyMopar Jan 2013 #17

Leave... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #33

Why are there Berserker Jan 2013 #39

Post-Sandy-Hook DU has really opened my eyes, that's for sure. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #49

Really, DU isn't socially liberal because many want the same gun laws other liberal nations have MightyMopar Jan 2013 #80

Australian gun laws were passed by a gejohnston Jan 2013 #83

So you're saying liberal Australians didn't support these gun laws? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #85

no I didn't say that gejohnston Jan 2013 #93

Just wanted clarification, it could be interpreted liberals were against these successful laws MightyMopar Jan 2013 #96

since it didn't lower the murder or gejohnston Jan 2013 #100

Once again changing the subject. Here's a article saying homicides and suicides went down MightyMopar Jan 2013 #102

so? gejohnston Jan 2013 #105

Since that wasn't remotely my argument... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #86

So you are saying other nation with these gun laws aren't more liberal than the USA? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #87

Yet another straw man. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #89

"This is not a particularly liberal community in any real sense" Come on that's just not true MightyMopar Jan 2013 #104

Straw man #3! Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #112

So how isn't this a liberal community? Because it doesn't agree with you? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #114

And we have a foursome! Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #144

My thoughts OctOct1 Jan 2013 #4

aww but a felon with a DUI gejohnston Jan 2013 #5

You are correct... virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #7

yea, Mooshiners, pot growers....Yea, they ALWAYS end up following the law... virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #38

That's why it's not going to happen DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #9

The chances of passing a ban is slim to none ... spin Jan 2013 #11

Cheer on your TEA PARTY buddies MightyMopar Jan 2013 #18

I didn't see cheering, I saw a simple statement of fact gejohnston Jan 2013 #20

Ok, "concern troll" propaganda about supposedly insurmountable republican power MightyMopar Jan 2013 #36

Regardless of the reason, the political end result is the same. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #50

No it isn 't! Force the Pukes to defend the laPierre and NRA and we gain political capital MightyMopar Jan 2013 #98

Unfortunately for you, the NRA might be replaced by... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #134

The total vote for the US House Jenoch Jan 2013 #124

An interesting problem... jmg257 Jan 2013 #10

i bet if this happens at-least 10,000 Americans will die at the hands of other Americans min. generalhh Jan 2013 #13

Thanks for the response! Very good to get a wider view of...the views of others. jmg257 Jan 2013 #14

MORE AMERICANS KILLED BY GUNS THAN BY WAR IN THE 20TH CENTURY MightyMopar Jan 2013 #19

I think that what I find most illuminating LibertyFox Jan 2013 #25

But between 1979 and 1997, 278,865 homicides! Did you miss that part MightyMopar Jan 2013 #37

The idea of... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #66

Some flaws Lurks Often Jan 2013 #97

I don't presume anything. I do think jmg257 Jan 2013 #136

We're going to disagree Lurks Often Jan 2013 #153

Agree. I am not sure of the level of support either...why I always jmg257 Jan 2013 #155

Punish the innocent gun owner even more??? ileus Jan 2013 #24

All the guns will never be confiscated no matter what is done. It's logistically impossible. Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #26

It seems like you are in favor Jenoch Jan 2013 #29

It seems you are having reading comprehension difficulties. Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #35

Then why did you suggest this? Jenoch Jan 2013 #40

Again, read the whole post. Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #41

Of course I read it and understand the Jenoch Jan 2013 #42

Well, I believe you suggesting Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #43

Ah, paid informers. Yes, the East German system should work quite well here. n/t PavePusher Jan 2013 #113

Simple. If they are caught bowens43 Jan 2013 #30

Wait... what? We kill "potentially" violent criminals? Really? iiibbb Jan 2013 #48

You intentionally misread the post. Why? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #54

You mean people who violate the law - "criminals"? baldguy Jan 2013 #51

I'm sure you abide by each and every law that is out there that you don't agree with iiibbb Jan 2013 #53

When I go over the speed limit when I drive, I don't pretend it's a political statement. baldguy Jan 2013 #55

I'm sure speed limits are the only laws you break iiibbb Jan 2013 #57

You think people SHOULD NOT be held responsable for their actions? baldguy Jan 2013 #62

Do you think governments should do whatever they want? iiibbb Jan 2013 #63

You don't understand how democracies work, do you? baldguy Jan 2013 #69

You don't seem to know how this one works either iiibbb Jan 2013 #70

How many neighbors have you busted for media piracy? iiibbb Jan 2013 #58

It seems that there has been a nationwide wink at violators of current laws. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #52

Here is my proposal: if you own a gun, and it is used in the commission of a crime Squinch Jan 2013 #56

Here is my proposal iiibbb Jan 2013 #59

But you also have to penalize the gun owner if he is not the same person who committed the crime. Squinch Jan 2013 #60

Why penalize the gun owner who might only be a vicitim of crime themselves. iiibbb Jan 2013 #64

If the gun owner has not sufficiently secured the gun, and the gun has been stolen and used to Squinch Jan 2013 #67

Define "sufficiently secured" iiibbb Jan 2013 #71

Then get better safes. It's your responsibility that that doesn't happen. I don't care how you do Squinch Jan 2013 #73

"You" made it your problem when you said I need a safe and the government defined ... iiibbb Jan 2013 #75

I am saying that there needs to be a new law. You are responsible for the crimes Squinch Jan 2013 #117

Why is the state recommending a safe, and the following by saying that that safe isn't acceptable. iiibbb Jan 2013 #137

Please review the thread. The OP asked for suggestions on how to deal with people who Squinch Jan 2013 #149

Hmm... geek_sabre Jan 2013 #68

Only if they have already been registered. Otherwise you don't get the pass. Squinch Jan 2013 #72

They won't, the folks advocating prohibition 90 years ago.... Riftaxe Jan 2013 #61

Ahhh, more apocalyptic fantasies and threats... Pholus Jan 2013 #65

Since so many replies have expressed such confidence in the enforcement of such a law... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #77

The question is for you -- how would you deal with the ones that would? Pholus Jan 2013 #78

I'm not sure I understand your point... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #84

Your deliberate ignorance is not unexpected. Pholus Jan 2013 #94

Just keep thinking... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #103

78% of Democrats support gun control. Electorate is swinging to non white people who agree with Dems MightyMopar Jan 2013 #107

"Gun control"... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #108

I'll take a little at a time as the the country becomes more urabn and less reactionary whites MightyMopar Jan 2013 #109

Out of curiosity... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #110

I'm for doing what France is doing, putting breathlyzers in new cars MightyMopar Jan 2013 #148

Racism, classism and geographical bigotry. Stay classy now. n/t PavePusher Jan 2013 #115

Please clarify. fanjunkare Jan 2013 #168

I will keep thinking as long as some of you keep providing evidence. Pholus Jan 2013 #122

By that same token... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #126

disagree = "condescension, dismissiveness and political grandstanding" Pholus Jan 2013 #143

Replace them with those who will enforce the laws like we have in the past MightyMopar Jan 2013 #81

You seem to think... brindleboxer Jan 2013 #88

Polling strongly support the assertion that blacks and Hispanics are anti-gun MightyMopar Jan 2013 #91

based on polls by gejohnston Jan 2013 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author MightyMopar Jan 2013 #118

Polls from CBS. What polls do you have? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #120

Let's see the questions gejohnston Jan 2013 #123

So you're defending Gallup on a Democratic website? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #129

I have never heard the claim about Gallup, so it is new to me gejohnston Jan 2013 #130

Really? Just Google "Gallup republican bias" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #133

Just Google "Frank Luntz" or "It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #135

Consider Reviewing Some Asian Models - Stiff Penalties Up To And Including The Death Penalty cantbeserious Jan 2013 #128

Killing people... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #138

If Society Chooses To Send A Strong Message To Those That Commit Murder By Firearm cantbeserious Jan 2013 #139

I'm not Asian. Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #140

There Are Very Stiff Penalties For Using A Fire Arm In Many Countries - Asian Countries Seem Representative cantbeserious Jan 2013 #142

Seems like the NRA was right.. virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #141

Your guns scare the government less than a smartphone MightyMopar Jan 2013 #145

Why are they scared? virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #146

In case you break any laws and they need to protect the rest of us MightyMopar Jan 2013 #147

Not too worried, they don't even enforce the laws already on the books.. virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #163

A fascinating thread where gungeoneers announce they are above the law because Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #165

pot smokers do it all the time gejohnston Jan 2013 #166

Pot smokers are arrested all the time. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #167

Throw their ass in jail. Confiscate their property. mwrguy Jan 2013 #169

Ok, who are you going to get, to do that? virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #170

Police and military. mwrguy Jan 2013 #171