Gun Control & RKBA

friendly_iconoclast

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50. "talking points" is an incantation, not a refutation.

Reply to upaloopa (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:56 PM

Jan 2013

Either what you call a "talking point" is true, or it is not.

If it is not true, show why.

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are we talking about the same thing when we speak of "assault weapons"? [View all] gejohnston Jan 2013 OP

When it comes to the average citizen's right upaloopa Jan 2013 #1

I think we need to end the meme... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #3

Okay, that's funny. rrneck Jan 2013 #4

but representatives usually don't have such knowledge gejohnston Jan 2013 #6

Yup - the gunners cannot obfuscate this anymore jpak Jan 2013 #12

I think its important to have a little knowledge of the subject wercal Jan 2013 #14

A very long-winded diatribe billh58 Jan 2013 #83

I hunt where there are feral dogs iiibbb Jan 2013 #92

Are you saying you wish to outlaw all Jenoch Jan 2013 #113

What evidence to you have to back that up? SCRKBA Jan 2013 #115

PPRed with billh58 Jan 2013 #116

I seriously doubt they are actually hiring them gejohnston Jan 2013 #117

You do realize.. wercal Jan 2013 #122

Your side of the billh58 Jan 2013 #124

but your side offers nothing but gejohnston Jan 2013 #125

You called my post a Diatribe wercal Jan 2013 #126

There is a word for that... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #131

Wow...Learn Something New Every Day wercal Jan 2013 #132

What the hell is Berserker Jan 2013 #118

Not in the NRA and never found the Gungeon wercal Jan 2013 #119

quick question gejohnston Jan 2013 #114

I get your point wercal Jan 2013 #120

since most sellers are FFLs gejohnston Jan 2013 #121

I know somebody who dealt in illegal guns wercal Jan 2013 #123

I tried....but you lost me at "modern musket"....nt pkdu Jan 2013 #2

the light bulb is the modern oil lamp gejohnston Jan 2013 #8

Nah, the founders had no idea what COULD be invented in the future.... pkdu Jan 2013 #11

particle beam weapons, or phasers but gejohnston Jan 2013 #17

If, one day, we do have "Star Trek" hand phasers... krispos42 Jan 2013 #84

Semi-autos have been around for 100 years n/t Pullo Jan 2013 #39

260 years. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #46

More deflection.....How long to recharge the Air cylinder? Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #85

Not long enough for it to be the primary cause for it falling out of use. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #94

Nice collection of random facts that dont support your assertion or answer my question ..how long? pkdu Jan 2013 #128

Actually, it does support my assertion. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #130

And that's relevant to my question how? Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #86

I have three comments underpants Jan 2013 #5

couple of things gejohnston Jan 2013 #7

Look at it from the point of view of the politician. rrneck Jan 2013 #9

Instead of solving our gun violence problem, let's nitpick over obscure definitions. Scuba Jan 2013 #10

I refuse to use their definitions jpak Jan 2013 #13

I guess we know what you think of police then. N/T beevul Jan 2013 #60

And yet another "famous" billh58 Jan 2013 #74

Famous? beevul Jan 2013 #112

And you continue to show your ignorance rl6214 Jan 2013 #111

you solve the problem by dealing with root causes gejohnston Jan 2013 #15

And our loose gun laws, don't forget that cause. Scuba Jan 2013 #16

that's not a cause gejohnston Jan 2013 #18

Loose gun laws aren't part of our gun violence problem? Scuba Jan 2013 #19

it affects suicide by gun, if you want to call that violence gejohnston Jan 2013 #21

I like your pic. Very flattering. Scuba Jan 2013 #22

that's all you have? gejohnston Jan 2013 #24

Well, as a firearm owner, yes I have several more substantive arguments regarding what is .... Scuba Jan 2013 #25

two things gejohnston Jan 2013 #27

Does jpak know you have that picture? Clames Jan 2013 #56

You are not going to stop the tide of calls upaloopa Jan 2013 #20

gun violence is dropping gejohnston Jan 2013 #23

Gun violence is dropping, AR 15s are not assault weapons upaloopa Jan 2013 #26

because that is what the FBI says gejohnston Jan 2013 #28

You don't get it. upaloopa Jan 2013 #34

maybe it is your paradigm gejohnston Jan 2013 #42

enlighten us discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #43

"talking points" is an incantation, not a refutation. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #50

I just read in the email from Mayors against Illegal Guns Frustratedlady Jan 2013 #31

how many were drug gangs killing each other gejohnston Jan 2013 #33

Does it matter who got gun down? A gang member upaloopa Jan 2013 #36

not what I'm saying gejohnston Jan 2013 #41

Why is it every solution you have skirts the upaloopa Jan 2013 #47

I believe the FBI Uniform Crime Report more than MAIG gejohnston Jan 2013 #48

You hang on to that like a junk yard dog. upaloopa Jan 2013 #49

you are either claiming the DoJ is in the pocket of the gun lobby or gejohnston Jan 2013 #51

No. I think information is being restricted upaloopa Jan 2013 #58

It happens to be true. Please note: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #52

How many were handguns? WinniSkipper Jan 2013 #65

False. Pullo Jan 2013 #35

In your world not in reality you have your own upaloopa Jan 2013 #37

But they are only billh58 Jan 2013 #40

Guess the FBI is in some alernative reality according to you, then? Pullo Jan 2013 #61

Wow, even more basic billh58 Jan 2013 #78

This is indeed "informative" billh58 Jan 2013 #29

nobody needs a car capable of going over the speed limit either gejohnston Jan 2013 #30

Why not just come out and say you'd like to see all semi-auto's banned? Pullo Jan 2013 #32

And another Gungeoneer billh58 Jan 2013 #38

+1 Scuba Jan 2013 #44

Except the terfms "confiscation" and "ban" getting thrown around right now, and not by the NRA Pullo Jan 2013 #67

Back to the Gungeon billh58 Jan 2013 #73

So you're not trying to ban semi-autos with plastic black stocks, then??? Pullo Jan 2013 #80

Use of the search function belies your words: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #68

I think people keep pointing out the "talking points" to you WinniSkipper Jan 2013 #71

You are very naive billh58 Jan 2013 #77

I didn't say compromise with the NRA WinniSkipper Jan 2013 #81

"Machines of death" rl6214 Jan 2013 #129

Why not just come out and say you don't upaloopa Jan 2013 #45

Because that wouldn't be true. Pullo Jan 2013 #62

A real Gungeon billh58 Jan 2013 #76

I agree with this. And I think all guns except maybe single-shot rifles should be banned. dorkulon Jan 2013 #53

At least you're being honest. I can appreciate that. Pullo Jan 2013 #63

to quote Josh Sugarmann gejohnston Jan 2013 #66

Ok 25 years from today they invent a weapon doc03 Jan 2013 #54

if they make a model that only works on stun gejohnston Jan 2013 #55

No I want one you can set on kill or vaporize "The right doc03 Jan 2013 #57

as a personal small arm maybe, gejohnston Jan 2013 #59

The folks that wrote the 2nd Amendment couldn't picture doc03 Jan 2013 #64

how can you eat it if you vaporize it? gejohnston Jan 2013 #69

Seems like a logical argument, we have no way of knowing what kind of doc03 Jan 2013 #70

that goes from arm to ordnance, gejohnston Jan 2013 #72

Really? ...you think dirty bomb is beyond a Tim McVeigh type ? Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #87

I was speaking of the absurd "legal nuke" argument like ICBMS gejohnston Jan 2013 #90

A dirty bomb is not a nuke chicoguy Jan 2013 #127

I can assure u I am neither , welcome "member since Monday with all my posts in Gundgeon" nt pkdu Jan 2013 #133

I like that, iiibbb Jan 2013 #75

Personally, I don't like the term for obvious reasons. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #79

Well, So far...the 6th page is BS. jmg257 Jan 2013 #82

The term "assault weapons" was created by gun controllers. Straw Man Jan 2013 #88

The term Assault Weapons was used by Gun Digest jmg257 Jan 2013 #89

That book is about military and law-enforcement weapons. Straw Man Jan 2013 #91

See #95. That usage was then. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #96

not in the same context gejohnston Jan 2013 #93

"Testing the latest in full auto & semiauto centerfires, rimfires jmg257 Jan 2013 #95

Where are you getting that? Straw Man Jan 2013 #97

From the cover of the Gun Digest Book of Assault Weapons, 1986. jmg257 Jan 2013 #98

OK, you're talking about this. Straw Man Jan 2013 #102

No doubt. Pretty sure there is an AK .22 in there. jmg257 Jan 2013 #103

Umm ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #104

You're kidding right? Did you miss the big block letters at the top??? jmg257 Jan 2013 #105

No, not kidding. Straw Man Jan 2013 #106

Riiigghhht! jmg257 Jan 2013 #107

Was that quote from the 1986 edition? Aahh..so assault weapons ARE assault rifles??? jmg257 Jan 2013 #108

No, my mistake. Straw Man Jan 2013 #109

Thats OK...on Amazon I "clicked to see inside" the book so jmg257 Jan 2013 #110

500.00 was a lot of money in 1986. :) Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #134

What all the controllers are "getting at" is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #101

not really gejohnston Jan 2013 #99

I know. And an AR 180 is not an AW in NY...yet, just in this book. jmg257 Jan 2013 #100