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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
50. "talking points" is an incantation, not a refutation.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:56 PM
Jan 2013

Either what you call a "talking point" is true, or it is not.

If it is not true, show why.

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When it comes to the average citizen's right upaloopa Jan 2013 #1
I think we need to end the meme... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #3
Okay, that's funny. rrneck Jan 2013 #4
but representatives usually don't have such knowledge gejohnston Jan 2013 #6
Yup - the gunners cannot obfuscate this anymore jpak Jan 2013 #12
I think its important to have a little knowledge of the subject wercal Jan 2013 #14
A very long-winded diatribe billh58 Jan 2013 #83
I hunt where there are feral dogs iiibbb Jan 2013 #92
Are you saying you wish to outlaw all Jenoch Jan 2013 #113
What evidence to you have to back that up? SCRKBA Jan 2013 #115
PPRed with billh58 Jan 2013 #116
I seriously doubt they are actually hiring them gejohnston Jan 2013 #117
You do realize.. wercal Jan 2013 #122
Your side of the billh58 Jan 2013 #124
but your side offers nothing but gejohnston Jan 2013 #125
You called my post a Diatribe wercal Jan 2013 #126
There is a word for that... cleanhippie Jan 2013 #131
Wow...Learn Something New Every Day wercal Jan 2013 #132
What the hell is Berserker Jan 2013 #118
Not in the NRA and never found the Gungeon wercal Jan 2013 #119
quick question gejohnston Jan 2013 #114
I get your point wercal Jan 2013 #120
since most sellers are FFLs gejohnston Jan 2013 #121
I know somebody who dealt in illegal guns wercal Jan 2013 #123
I tried....but you lost me at "modern musket"....nt pkdu Jan 2013 #2
the light bulb is the modern oil lamp gejohnston Jan 2013 #8
Nah, the founders had no idea what COULD be invented in the future.... pkdu Jan 2013 #11
particle beam weapons, or phasers but gejohnston Jan 2013 #17
If, one day, we do have "Star Trek" hand phasers... krispos42 Jan 2013 #84
Semi-autos have been around for 100 years n/t Pullo Jan 2013 #39
260 years. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #46
More deflection.....How long to recharge the Air cylinder? Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #85
Not long enough for it to be the primary cause for it falling out of use. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #94
Nice collection of random facts that dont support your assertion or answer my question ..how long? pkdu Jan 2013 #128
Actually, it does support my assertion. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #130
And that's relevant to my question how? Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #86
I have three comments underpants Jan 2013 #5
couple of things gejohnston Jan 2013 #7
Look at it from the point of view of the politician. rrneck Jan 2013 #9
Instead of solving our gun violence problem, let's nitpick over obscure definitions. Scuba Jan 2013 #10
I refuse to use their definitions jpak Jan 2013 #13
I guess we know what you think of police then. N/T beevul Jan 2013 #60
And yet another "famous" billh58 Jan 2013 #74
Famous? beevul Jan 2013 #112
And you continue to show your ignorance rl6214 Jan 2013 #111
you solve the problem by dealing with root causes gejohnston Jan 2013 #15
And our loose gun laws, don't forget that cause. Scuba Jan 2013 #16
that's not a cause gejohnston Jan 2013 #18
Loose gun laws aren't part of our gun violence problem? Scuba Jan 2013 #19
it affects suicide by gun, if you want to call that violence gejohnston Jan 2013 #21
I like your pic. Very flattering. Scuba Jan 2013 #22
that's all you have? gejohnston Jan 2013 #24
Well, as a firearm owner, yes I have several more substantive arguments regarding what is .... Scuba Jan 2013 #25
two things gejohnston Jan 2013 #27
Does jpak know you have that picture? Clames Jan 2013 #56
You are not going to stop the tide of calls upaloopa Jan 2013 #20
gun violence is dropping gejohnston Jan 2013 #23
Gun violence is dropping, AR 15s are not assault weapons upaloopa Jan 2013 #26
because that is what the FBI says gejohnston Jan 2013 #28
You don't get it. upaloopa Jan 2013 #34
maybe it is your paradigm gejohnston Jan 2013 #42
enlighten us discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #43
"talking points" is an incantation, not a refutation. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #50
I just read in the email from Mayors against Illegal Guns Frustratedlady Jan 2013 #31
how many were drug gangs killing each other gejohnston Jan 2013 #33
Does it matter who got gun down? A gang member upaloopa Jan 2013 #36
not what I'm saying gejohnston Jan 2013 #41
Why is it every solution you have skirts the upaloopa Jan 2013 #47
I believe the FBI Uniform Crime Report more than MAIG gejohnston Jan 2013 #48
You hang on to that like a junk yard dog. upaloopa Jan 2013 #49
you are either claiming the DoJ is in the pocket of the gun lobby or gejohnston Jan 2013 #51
No. I think information is being restricted upaloopa Jan 2013 #58
It happens to be true. Please note: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #52
How many were handguns? WinniSkipper Jan 2013 #65
False. Pullo Jan 2013 #35
In your world not in reality you have your own upaloopa Jan 2013 #37
But they are only billh58 Jan 2013 #40
Guess the FBI is in some alernative reality according to you, then? Pullo Jan 2013 #61
Wow, even more basic billh58 Jan 2013 #78
This is indeed "informative" billh58 Jan 2013 #29
nobody needs a car capable of going over the speed limit either gejohnston Jan 2013 #30
Why not just come out and say you'd like to see all semi-auto's banned? Pullo Jan 2013 #32
And another Gungeoneer billh58 Jan 2013 #38
+1 Scuba Jan 2013 #44
Except the terfms "confiscation" and "ban" getting thrown around right now, and not by the NRA Pullo Jan 2013 #67
Back to the Gungeon billh58 Jan 2013 #73
So you're not trying to ban semi-autos with plastic black stocks, then??? Pullo Jan 2013 #80
Use of the search function belies your words: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #68
I think people keep pointing out the "talking points" to you WinniSkipper Jan 2013 #71
You are very naive billh58 Jan 2013 #77
I didn't say compromise with the NRA WinniSkipper Jan 2013 #81
"Machines of death" rl6214 Jan 2013 #129
Why not just come out and say you don't upaloopa Jan 2013 #45
Because that wouldn't be true. Pullo Jan 2013 #62
A real Gungeon billh58 Jan 2013 #76
I agree with this. And I think all guns except maybe single-shot rifles should be banned. dorkulon Jan 2013 #53
At least you're being honest. I can appreciate that. Pullo Jan 2013 #63
to quote Josh Sugarmann gejohnston Jan 2013 #66
Ok 25 years from today they invent a weapon doc03 Jan 2013 #54
if they make a model that only works on stun gejohnston Jan 2013 #55
No I want one you can set on kill or vaporize "The right doc03 Jan 2013 #57
as a personal small arm maybe, gejohnston Jan 2013 #59
The folks that wrote the 2nd Amendment couldn't picture doc03 Jan 2013 #64
how can you eat it if you vaporize it? gejohnston Jan 2013 #69
Seems like a logical argument, we have no way of knowing what kind of doc03 Jan 2013 #70
that goes from arm to ordnance, gejohnston Jan 2013 #72
Really? ...you think dirty bomb is beyond a Tim McVeigh type ? Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #87
I was speaking of the absurd "legal nuke" argument like ICBMS gejohnston Jan 2013 #90
A dirty bomb is not a nuke chicoguy Jan 2013 #127
I can assure u I am neither , welcome "member since Monday with all my posts in Gundgeon" nt pkdu Jan 2013 #133
I like that, iiibbb Jan 2013 #75
Personally, I don't like the term for obvious reasons. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #79
Well, So far...the 6th page is BS. jmg257 Jan 2013 #82
The term "assault weapons" was created by gun controllers. Straw Man Jan 2013 #88
The term Assault Weapons was used by Gun Digest jmg257 Jan 2013 #89
That book is about military and law-enforcement weapons. Straw Man Jan 2013 #91
See #95. That usage was then. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #96
not in the same context gejohnston Jan 2013 #93
"Testing the latest in full auto & semiauto centerfires, rimfires jmg257 Jan 2013 #95
Where are you getting that? Straw Man Jan 2013 #97
From the cover of the Gun Digest Book of Assault Weapons, 1986. jmg257 Jan 2013 #98
OK, you're talking about this. Straw Man Jan 2013 #102
No doubt. Pretty sure there is an AK .22 in there. jmg257 Jan 2013 #103
Umm ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #104
You're kidding right? Did you miss the big block letters at the top??? jmg257 Jan 2013 #105
No, not kidding. Straw Man Jan 2013 #106
Riiigghhht! jmg257 Jan 2013 #107
Was that quote from the 1986 edition? Aahh..so assault weapons ARE assault rifles??? jmg257 Jan 2013 #108
No, my mistake. Straw Man Jan 2013 #109
Thats OK...on Amazon I "clicked to see inside" the book so jmg257 Jan 2013 #110
500.00 was a lot of money in 1986. :) Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #134
What all the controllers are "getting at" is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #101
not really gejohnston Jan 2013 #99
I know. And an AR 180 is not an AW in NY...yet, just in this book. jmg257 Jan 2013 #100
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