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jimmy the one

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15. 1828 definition of well regulated (takeII)
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:31 AM
Jan 2013

guardian: No. Back then 'regulated' meant efficient or orderly. It did not have the contemporary meaning.

Really? 'An orderly militia, being necessary for the security of a free state..'?

Conjures up images of a thanksgiving day parade thru town, sure to strike fear in the minds of invaders, insurrectionists, & tyrannical govts, eh? As sloppy as militia members could be back then, what with clothes brought from home, uncouth manners by some, 'disorderly' was as much the status quo, perforce.

Here's how 'regulate' was defined in 1828 by webster, contemporary to 2ndA 1791:

1828 Websters dictionary: regulate REG'ULATE, 1. To adjust by rule, method or established mode; as, to regulate weights and measures; to regulate the assize of bread; to regulate our moral conduct by the laws of God and of society; to regulate our manners by the customary forms.
2. To put in good order; as, to regulate the disordered state of a nation or its finances.
3. To subject to rules or restrictions; as, to regulate trade; to regulate diet.
http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/regulate


In 1828 'regulate' meant either to adjust by rule or method, to put in good order, or to subject to rules or restrictions, or a combo of the three.
.. Even the second Def, to regulate the disordered state, conveniently implies to regulate to become orderly. So it seems that 'orderly' would be a desired result of regulation, 'back then'.

{as 3ib} You seem to harp on singling out one particular definition of 'regulate' & trying to apply your own favorite, while disallowing for the others.




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right there with the part that says america is a christian nation. rurallib Jan 2013 #1
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does the admin agree with your definition of Spam? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #6
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well, there is something about spam in the ToS, I think. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #22
"Free state" nt my boy x dog Jan 2013 #4
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And another insightful and well thought out post by the anti gun zealots rl6214 Jan 2013 #8
"well regulated militia" - regulated by the government. guardian Jan 2013 #9
Just who exactly do you think was doing the regulating?? jmg257 Jan 2013 #10
irrelevant guardian Jan 2013 #11
Irrelevant?! The Constitution is hardly "irrelevant"...and has many more words... jmg257 Jan 2013 #12
What do people subscribing to your beliefs make of, say, the Regulators of North Carolina? Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #16
Well run, efficient, smooth operating? That's how the Regulators would define it. hack89 Jan 2013 #17
The Regulators of North Carolina were not in favor of new rules and regulations? Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #23
No - their issue was the corrupt enforcement of those rules hack89 Jan 2013 #24
... one guided by rules? Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #28
Regulate refers to the desired end state hack89 Jan 2013 #29
The entire Constitution ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #13
being necessary to the security of a free State obviously has nothing to do with govt. tyranny bubbayugga Jan 2013 #14
1828 definition of well regulated (takeII) jimmy the one Jan 2013 #15
Nice post safeinOhio Jan 2013 #18
It also meant well trained and equipped. hack89 Jan 2013 #25
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Bran! Remmah2 Jan 2013 #21
From wiki tama Jan 2013 #26
Scalia knows more about guns than money minded hamilton jimmy the one Jan 2013 #27
Very well tama Jan 2013 #30
It doesn't. Neither does the first amendment. Next question. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #31
The Second Amendment was created to control slaves, their escape and their uprisings. TxVietVet Jan 2013 #32
according to a Handgun Control Incorporated board member gejohnston Jan 2013 #34
Its right there in the authorization clause. N/T beevul Jan 2013 #33
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