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tama

(9,137 posts)
26. From wiki
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:29 AM
Jan 2013
Meaning of "well regulated militia"
The term "regulated" means "disciplined" or "trained".[120] In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that "[t]he adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."[121]
In Federalist No. 29, Alexander Hamilton suggested that well-regulated refers not only to "organizing", "disciplining", and "training" the militia, but also to "arming" the militia:
This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by congress."[48]
A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss.[48]
"If a well regulated militia be the most natural defence of a free country, it ought certainly to be under the regulation and at the disposal of that body which is constituted the guardian of the national security...confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority...(and) reserving to the states...the authority of training the militia".[48]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The "gov't tyranny" is what e.g. Jefferson speaks much about and what is implied in clear terms in Declaration of Independence, which no doubt many confuse with Constitution. Jefferson stated many warnings against standing army and banks, and would quite likely consider the current government of banks and for the banks, supported by standing army and MIC, a tyranny.

I don't like NRA any more than others here, but better to keep arguments sound and sharp. And peaceful revolution by civil disobedience is much more preferable to what is going on in e.g. Syria, but that is generally and in terms of OWS etc. a strategic decision, not set in stone.

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right there with the part that says america is a christian nation. rurallib Jan 2013 #1
Why would it need to? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #2
Are you planning on... krispos42 Jan 2013 #3
does the admin agree with your definition of Spam? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #6
Dunno. I didn't ask and they didn't tell. n/t krispos42 Jan 2013 #7
well, there is something about spam in the ToS, I think. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #22
"Free state" nt my boy x dog Jan 2013 #4
Free Staters are nut jobs jpak Jan 2013 #20
you say "new Gun Nut line" chicoguy Jan 2013 #5
And another insightful and well thought out post by the anti gun zealots rl6214 Jan 2013 #8
"well regulated militia" - regulated by the government. guardian Jan 2013 #9
Just who exactly do you think was doing the regulating?? jmg257 Jan 2013 #10
irrelevant guardian Jan 2013 #11
Irrelevant?! The Constitution is hardly "irrelevant"...and has many more words... jmg257 Jan 2013 #12
What do people subscribing to your beliefs make of, say, the Regulators of North Carolina? Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #16
Well run, efficient, smooth operating? That's how the Regulators would define it. hack89 Jan 2013 #17
The Regulators of North Carolina were not in favor of new rules and regulations? Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #23
No - their issue was the corrupt enforcement of those rules hack89 Jan 2013 #24
... one guided by rules? Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #28
Regulate refers to the desired end state hack89 Jan 2013 #29
The entire Constitution ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #13
being necessary to the security of a free State obviously has nothing to do with govt. tyranny bubbayugga Jan 2013 #14
1828 definition of well regulated (takeII) jimmy the one Jan 2013 #15
Nice post safeinOhio Jan 2013 #18
It also meant well trained and equipped. hack89 Jan 2013 #25
You need to post this over at AR15.com ileus Jan 2013 #19
Bran! Remmah2 Jan 2013 #21
From wiki tama Jan 2013 #26
Scalia knows more about guns than money minded hamilton jimmy the one Jan 2013 #27
Very well tama Jan 2013 #30
It doesn't. Neither does the first amendment. Next question. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #31
The Second Amendment was created to control slaves, their escape and their uprisings. TxVietVet Jan 2013 #32
according to a Handgun Control Incorporated board member gejohnston Jan 2013 #34
Its right there in the authorization clause. N/T beevul Jan 2013 #33
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