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In reply to the discussion: So where in the Holy Second Amendment does it say anything about "gov't tyranny"? [View all]Meaning of "well regulated militia"
The term "regulated" means "disciplined" or "trained".[120] In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that "[t]he adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."[121]
In Federalist No. 29, Alexander Hamilton suggested that well-regulated refers not only to "organizing", "disciplining", and "training" the militia, but also to "arming" the militia:
This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by congress."[48]
A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss.[48]
"If a well regulated militia be the most natural defence of a free country, it ought certainly to be under the regulation and at the disposal of that body which is constituted the guardian of the national security...confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority...(and) reserving to the states...the authority of training the militia".[48]
The term "regulated" means "disciplined" or "trained".[120] In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that "[t]he adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."[121]
In Federalist No. 29, Alexander Hamilton suggested that well-regulated refers not only to "organizing", "disciplining", and "training" the militia, but also to "arming" the militia:
This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by congress."[48]
A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss.[48]
"If a well regulated militia be the most natural defence of a free country, it ought certainly to be under the regulation and at the disposal of that body which is constituted the guardian of the national security...confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority...(and) reserving to the states...the authority of training the militia".[48]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
The "gov't tyranny" is what e.g. Jefferson speaks much about and what is implied in clear terms in Declaration of Independence, which no doubt many confuse with Constitution. Jefferson stated many warnings against standing army and banks, and would quite likely consider the current government of banks and for the banks, supported by standing army and MIC, a tyranny.
I don't like NRA any more than others here, but better to keep arguments sound and sharp. And peaceful revolution by civil disobedience is much more preferable to what is going on in e.g. Syria, but that is generally and in terms of OWS etc. a strategic decision, not set in stone.
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So where in the Holy Second Amendment does it say anything about "gov't tyranny"? [View all]
jpak
Jan 2013
OP
Irrelevant?! The Constitution is hardly "irrelevant"...and has many more words...
jmg257
Jan 2013
#12
What do people subscribing to your beliefs make of, say, the Regulators of North Carolina?
Democracyinkind
Jan 2013
#16
Well run, efficient, smooth operating? That's how the Regulators would define it.
hack89
Jan 2013
#17
The Regulators of North Carolina were not in favor of new rules and regulations?
Democracyinkind
Jan 2013
#23
being necessary to the security of a free State obviously has nothing to do with govt. tyranny
bubbayugga
Jan 2013
#14
The Second Amendment was created to control slaves, their escape and their uprisings.
TxVietVet
Jan 2013
#32