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jimmy the one

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30. iconoclast's canard
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:18 PM
Jan 2013

iconoclast: One wonders why didn't you actually *quote* the dissent in Heller?
Oh, yeah- because it because it doesn't quite say what you claim it says:


iconoclast then cites justice stevens evidently conjecturing: The question presented by this case is not whether the Second Amendment protects a "collective right" or an "individual right." Surely it protects a right that can be enforced by individuals. But a conclusion that the Second Amendment protects an individual right does not tell us anything about the scope of that right.

You take this paragraph out of context. You or some other pro gunner has tried this elsewhere, I wish you would stop it, it's sophomoric at best & rightwing propagangda at worst.

from your very cornell site, dunno how you missed it:
Held: 1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
>>> Stevens, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer, JJ., joined.


This dissent called the majority opinion "strained and unpersuasive" and said that the right to possess a firearm exists only in relation to the militia and that the D.C. laws constitute permissible regulation.

So please, iconoclast, stop employing this canard.

K&R friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #1
He's in with Scalia don't you know. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #2
cannot comply jimmy the one Jan 2013 #3
The Democratic Party platform says exactly the same thing. hack89 Jan 2013 #4
I'll leave the legal interpretation to others... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #5
Can't use the grammar ruse anymore, lizzie jimmy the one Jan 2013 #7
Ruse? Um...no. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #9
fallacies abound, from lizzie jimmy the one Jan 2013 #10
Please tell me you're making this up as you go along. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #22
I think Lizzie checkmated you. Your view is strained to the point of intellectual hernia. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #32
Read the preamble jimmy. N/T beevul Jan 2013 #11
Bullshit. He didn't seem to have a problem denying the validity of Citizens United. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #31
seems like he also affirmed self defense as a legitimate purpose of firearm ownership bubbayugga Jan 2013 #6
is the jig up? jimmy the one Jan 2013 #8
Obama: "The type of assault rifle used in Aurora..." DanTex Jan 2013 #12
constitutional scholar doesn't equal firearms expert. gejohnston Jan 2013 #17
He's not speaking as a constitutional scholar, he's speaking as a politician. DanTex Jan 2013 #20
If you really want to believe that, gejohnston Jan 2013 #21
LOL, is that the new grabber-meme for Obama's clear concise individual right affirmation? nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #25
Obama: it’s time for Congress to require a universal background check for anyone trying to buy a gun DanTex Jan 2013 #13
Obama: Weapons designed for the theater of war have no place in a movie theater. DanTex Jan 2013 #14
constitutional scholar doesn't equal firearms expert. gejohnston Jan 2013 #18
You won't see a stop to it because ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #15
Obama: "I started getting a lot of letters from kids. Four of them are here today" DanTex Jan 2013 #16
Sure - why not. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #23
Obama: "We don’t benefit from not knowing the science of this epidemic of violence" DanTex Jan 2013 #19
Lets see what science they produce first. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #24
lizzie concedes afte 3 whacks jimmy the one Jan 2013 #26
The President and our party platform say it is an individual right. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #27
What about 4 liberal justices ruling for militia interp? jimmy the one Jan 2013 #28
One wonders why didn't you actually *quote* the dissent in Heller? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #29
iconoclast's canard jimmy the one Jan 2013 #30
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