Gun Control & RKBA

ellisonz

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62. Your argument is essentially that cause does not produce an effect.

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:43 PM

Jan 2012

I beg to disagree.

"we are tired of people with money using that money to buy policy favorable to their financial interests."

This is precisely what the gun lobby does...it is no different than other lobbies.

I just happen to detest your lobby especially for its denial of responsibility for its effect...

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M1 Carbine Imports Banned [View all] Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 OP

Riddle me this... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #1

Good news on the M1 Garands, but what a strange rationale for denying the M1 Carbines. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #2

Meanwhile, the ad for Big Five Sporting Goods in this morning's fishwrap is hawking... slackmaster Jan 2012 #3

cool, have to get me one gejohnston Jan 2012 #21

Looks like the administration finally figured out that they had stepped in it. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #4

Thanks for supporting the Democratic Party. Hoyt Jan 2012 #5

You wouldn't understand this, but Simo 1939_1940 is supporting Democratics that way. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #6

Don't think so. Hoyt Jan 2012 #9

My opinion is that pandering to those who favor draconian gun control... spin Jan 2012 #13

How about people just leave the dang things at home. You guys could start tomorrow. Hoyt Jan 2012 #23

Because me owning guns represents absolutely no threat whatsoever. hack89 Jan 2012 #24

It's your guns... ellisonz Jan 2012 #33

I have never had a gun stolen in 30 years - and the threat has been steadily reduced for 20 years. n hack89 Jan 2012 #40

Blame the victim for the crime. Where have we seen this vile shit before? n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #41

From at least one admitted gun criminal here. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #52

What a bunch of crap... ellisonz Jan 2012 #56

It's your culture that is to blame for being a victim of crime. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #51

Really? ellisonz Jan 2012 #55

Huh? Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #61

Your argument is essentially that cause does not produce an effect. ellisonz Jan 2012 #62

Owning guns no more causes theft than being beautiful causes rape. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #64

You're denying the significance of the concept of culture... ellisonz Jan 2012 #66

No, I know I'm right. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #81

Did you intend to reply to someone else? X_Digger Jan 2012 #25

Why in the world would you care how many guns I buy? Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #26

Hoyt has that Robert Bork 'moral harm' thing going on.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #27

Good catch. TheWraith Jan 2012 #60

Be kinda silly leaving such a valuable safety device at home... ileus Jan 2012 #29

Why would I do that? spin Jan 2012 #31

Lot of people you know carry M1 carbines? Union Scribe Jan 2012 #43

Why do people harming no one bother you so much. Callisto32 Jan 2012 #85

I've listened to the Party before one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #10

So that was your single issue back then? -- Voting for candidate committed to bombing Vietnamese. Hoyt Jan 2012 #12

and you voted for????? one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #17

I did not vote for the guy who promised to bomb people. Apparently, you liked that promise. Hoyt Jan 2012 #18

Has the Democratic Party ever done anything that you don't agree with? oneshooter Jan 2012 #22

You have selctive amnesia one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #28

I don't give the DNC any money, either. BiggJawn Jan 2012 #14

I'm sure your generous donations because the party supports the AWB... krispos42 Jan 2012 #36

My party, right or wrong!! montanto Jan 2012 #47

All those beloved M1's would be a gold mine considering the prices of originals these days. ileus Jan 2012 #7

Detachable-magazine-fed rifles are not illegal in the US, nor have they ever been... krispos42 Jan 2012 #8

I'd never thought of the green aspect, but it's a good angle... ileus Jan 2012 #11

Let the free market reign... ellisonz Jan 2012 #34

I'm trying to krispos42 Jan 2012 #35

So many guns... ellisonz Jan 2012 #37

so little time, gejohnston Jan 2012 #38

so little crime.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #44

You seem to have a reflexive antipathy ... Straw Man Jan 2012 #49

When it's used in the advocacy... ellisonz Jan 2012 #54

Well, for starters, the "free market" is a fairy-tale ... Straw Man Jan 2012 #57

I hate the massive amount of guns that's flooding this country... ellisonz Jan 2012 #58

What you hate is irrelevant. Straw Man Jan 2012 #59

Yes... ellisonz Jan 2012 #63

I hope I'm misreading you ... Straw Man Jan 2012 #65

"I just feel that you're wrong." X_Digger Jan 2012 #67

I'm saying we ought to base public policy on synthetic reason. ellisonz Jan 2012 #68

I see what you just did there. Straw Man Jan 2012 #69

Or I've read Kant and Aristotle... ellisonz Jan 2012 #71

You're going to have to do better than that. Straw Man Jan 2012 #72

Wikipedia is convenient. ellisonz Jan 2012 #74

Convenient but reductive. Straw Man Jan 2012 #75

That's a fair assessment of analytic and synthetic reasoning. ellisonz Jan 2012 #77

Still bobbing and weaving, I see. Straw Man Jan 2012 #78

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee... ellisonz Jan 2012 #79

those same countries gejohnston Jan 2012 #80

Nice bullshit substitution. "unlimited gun rights" X_Digger Jan 2012 #82

Float like a bulldozer, sting like wet Kleenex. Straw Man Jan 2012 #83

I thought you guys needed all those guns to defend your freedoms... ellisonz Jan 2012 #86

You thought wrong. Again. Straw Man Jan 2012 #89

They shoot don't they? ellisonz Jan 2012 #90

I have not seen one gejohnston Jan 2012 #91

A brilliant deduction. Straw Man Jan 2012 #92

My point is that they are still in "common use." ellisonz Jan 2012 #93

It depends on what you mean by "common use." Straw Man Jan 2012 #94

Well, it is an excellent deer gun. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #96

"Well, it is an excellent deer gun." ellisonz Jan 2012 #97

Oh, it just gets worse... Straw Man Jan 2012 #99

The M1 Garand is also very ammo sentsetive. oneshooter Jan 2012 #100

I'm guessing he's never heard of the civilian marksmanship program, ever. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #103

Yes, because thugs are really looking around for 3 foot long 10lb battle rifles. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #102

LOL AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #95

I know right... ellisonz Jan 2012 #98

And how exactly do you propose that paranoid people be prevented from owning a dozen guns? Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #70

I was hoping for M1 Carbines, too... BiggJawn Jan 2012 #15

I'd love to have one for my collection...but I don't think it'll put a dent in prices. ileus Jan 2012 #16

Yeah, they've gotten expensive. Dr_Scholl Jan 2012 #20

There's nothing like shooting a Garand DonP Jan 2012 #87

It is good that the CMP gets to fund their operations through the sales burf Jan 2012 #19

They may not be coming through the CMP. PavePusher Jan 2012 #30

Look for "Gary's Garands" BiggJawn Jan 2012 #39

If they're priced by Mitchell's Mausers, expect to pay $2000 JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #42

They do sell an occassional carbine. BiggJawn Jan 2012 #45

How is the Korean deal different from the M1s coming back form Europe? burf Jan 2012 #46

I enjoyed shooting them in the Air Force... spin Jan 2012 #32

Question for gunners: montanto Jan 2012 #48

HIGHLY doubtful. liberal_biker Jan 2012 #50

Well... Straw Man Jan 2012 #73

I do not understand the logic here. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #53

Who is the person Francis Marion Jan 2012 #76

Just once... Callisto32 Jan 2012 #84

The Army had a conversion "kit" to convert the Carbine to the M2 configuration DonP Jan 2012 #88

Apparently "easily converted" translates as: Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #101