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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
11. so many logical fallacies, so little time.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jan 2013
Are we to assume the Intentional Homicide and the Assault Cases are separate from each other and not one subtracted from the other?
as a rule

If so, then couldn't we extrapolate that although the UK has higher assaults, they don't end in the death of victim?

And with that said, there'd be two views: "The UK is more violent because they have a ban on guns" versus "The UK would have more instances of deaths from violence were there not a ban on guns"
not quite. Even when UK had laxer gun laws than the US, the same situation existed. Whatever reason, using a gun was not considered "cool" to UK criminals. Other than a few criminal gangs, that still holds true. They tend to use machine guns more than we do. Depending on the size of the knife, caliber of the gun, and range, knives can be more lethal than guns. A kitchen butcher knife is more lethal than a .25 ACP and certaily more lethal than any gun using "armor piercing" ammo.


And all said and done, Japan - a significantly smaller country, area-wise, with an exceedingly dense population, is among the top 3 least violent countries even with significantly fewer guns than either? (Japan has .6 guns per 100 capita, UK has 6.2 per 100 capita, and the US has 88.8 per 100 capita)
You are assuming that the trigger pulls the finger, or that a gun is like a ring in a fantasy movie. Of course, those only count legal guns. They don't count those owned by the Yakusa who smuggle them from illegal factories in Cebu or make their own in Japan. I lived in Japan for over three years, it has nothing to do with guns. Their society is organized around community, not the individual. there is almost no wealth inequality. Of course, their legal system make fair trials almost impossible. Illegal searches and forced confessions are allowed in court. There is no right to council nor jury trial.

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UK vs US, violent crime meme [View all] DreWId Jan 2013 OP
I am interested in this issue also as my s-i-l handed me a bunch of RW talking points about how jwirr Jan 2013 #1
What about Japan? DreWId Jan 2013 #3
I saw that on PBS this morning libodem Jan 2013 #4
how many murders total? gejohnston Jan 2013 #6
I only remember the one year being 8 libodem Jan 2013 #17
I lived in Japan gejohnston Jan 2013 #5
In summation DreWId Jan 2013 #9
Japan is also monocultural. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #30
Okay, he did not mention them. jwirr Jan 2013 #8
here is one that compares the OECD countries gejohnston Jan 2013 #2
So what we are to surmise is? DreWId Jan 2013 #7
so many logical fallacies, so little time. gejohnston Jan 2013 #11
Thanks for clarifying DreWId Jan 2013 #14
you are welcome gejohnston Jan 2013 #18
It's so nice to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into talking points DreWId Jan 2013 #20
I try gejohnston Jan 2013 #23
a man named EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #10
Proof? DreWId Jan 2013 #12
ok sorry EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #15
I'm not sure I get it DreWId Jan 2013 #21
this video EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #22
it all depends on the definitions stevebrt Jan 2013 #13
My point exactly DreWId Jan 2013 #16
Watch the video at this site. .... spin Jan 2013 #19
Their reporting is entirely different. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #24
hierarchy rules jimmy the one Jan 2013 #25
costs of gunshot treatment US jimmy the one Jan 2013 #26
The US has by far the highest homicide rate of any developed nation. DanTex Jan 2013 #27
DreWId UK vs US, violent gun crime meme reply - US more violent by far, see link James Mahogany Feb 2013 #28
DreWId UK vs US, violent gun crime meme reply - US more violent by far, see link (revised) James Mahogany Feb 2013 #29
some numbers guardian Feb 2013 #31
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