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gejohnston

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18. you are welcome
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jan 2013
What do you mean 'more lethal', can you explain, please? What is the firing rate of a .25 ACP? I have a difficult time picturing a butcher knife able to maim at the same rate as a gun (or for that matter, any bladed, close-combat weapon matching the firing rate and range of any gun, but I digress)
I define more lethal as more likely to kill you if hit with it and more internal damage. The same fire rate as any other semi auto or double action revolver, how fast you can pull the trigger. Firing rates are only relevant with full autos.

And with that paragraph what you're saying is that even with lesser gun laws the UK still had less homicide by gun?
fewer murders regardless of means. IMHO, concentrating on specific means such as "gun" is intellectually bankrupt at best and I refuse to play that game.


As for the Japan statistics, I'm not quite understanding your analogies at the beginning. When you say "only count legal guns", I would assume that the U.S. numbers also only count legal guns. Even if that weren't the case, we are still looking at a lesser homicide by gun rate in Japan than the US, aren't we?
Number of illegal guns is unknowable. For example the German government estimates five unregistered guns for each registered guns. The illegal number can range from simple civil disobedience by non compliance, like Canada, to serious criminals. It is a safe bet none of Japan's gun murders were with a legal gun. Where I lived we had one shooting, it was a Yakusa hit.
The last part of that paragraph is part of the overall picture of violence/homicide as it pertains to culture and cultural identity, right?
Yes
I suppose we could look back to the 1950s US of gun ownership versus wealth inequality versus violence, as well.
Guns were used in fewer murders in 1950 even though the federal laws, and many state laws were laxer (the south had stricter laws than CA or IL at the time) than now. In 1965 guns were used in 58 percent of murders compared to 70 percent on average today.
And if what you say is true about the Japanese judicial system, according to the statistics you presented, Japan still only has a punitivity ratio of .898 compared to the US's 1.471 (even moreso compared to the UK's punitivity ratio of .049). They don't throw away the key for ripping off a pizza like California does either.

But information like that doesn't quite fit a meme or bumper sticker, does it. lol
The truth never does. Simple answers to complex problems are never solutions.

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UK vs US, violent crime meme [View all] DreWId Jan 2013 OP
I am interested in this issue also as my s-i-l handed me a bunch of RW talking points about how jwirr Jan 2013 #1
What about Japan? DreWId Jan 2013 #3
I saw that on PBS this morning libodem Jan 2013 #4
how many murders total? gejohnston Jan 2013 #6
I only remember the one year being 8 libodem Jan 2013 #17
I lived in Japan gejohnston Jan 2013 #5
In summation DreWId Jan 2013 #9
Japan is also monocultural. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #30
Okay, he did not mention them. jwirr Jan 2013 #8
here is one that compares the OECD countries gejohnston Jan 2013 #2
So what we are to surmise is? DreWId Jan 2013 #7
so many logical fallacies, so little time. gejohnston Jan 2013 #11
Thanks for clarifying DreWId Jan 2013 #14
you are welcome gejohnston Jan 2013 #18
It's so nice to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into talking points DreWId Jan 2013 #20
I try gejohnston Jan 2013 #23
a man named EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #10
Proof? DreWId Jan 2013 #12
ok sorry EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #15
I'm not sure I get it DreWId Jan 2013 #21
this video EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #22
it all depends on the definitions stevebrt Jan 2013 #13
My point exactly DreWId Jan 2013 #16
Watch the video at this site. .... spin Jan 2013 #19
Their reporting is entirely different. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #24
hierarchy rules jimmy the one Jan 2013 #25
costs of gunshot treatment US jimmy the one Jan 2013 #26
The US has by far the highest homicide rate of any developed nation. DanTex Jan 2013 #27
DreWId UK vs US, violent gun crime meme reply - US more violent by far, see link James Mahogany Feb 2013 #28
DreWId UK vs US, violent gun crime meme reply - US more violent by far, see link (revised) James Mahogany Feb 2013 #29
some numbers guardian Feb 2013 #31
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