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19. Watch the video at this site. ....
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jan 2013
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c82_1357146088

Obviously the video does favor one side of the debate so let me add some comments.

1) Both sides of the gun control debate largely ignore the fact that violent crime has decreased dramatically in the last 20 years. The NRA and gun manufacturers try to convince people that owning a firearm for self defense is essential. The pro gun control groups state that our violent crime rate is largely driven by easy access to firearms. The fact that violent crime is dropping doesn't help either side gain support and donations.

2) Comparing a small nation to the United States has some faults. England is about the size of either Louisiana or Alabama. In our nation some states are peaceful, others violent.

3) Nations often have significant cultural differences. For example it is extremely rare to have a riot break out at a professional football game while it happens frequently at Soccer games in other nations.

4) The United States will always have a level of violence caused by firearms as long as they are common in our nation. We currently have over 300,000,000 firearms and 80,000,000 gun owners. Few elected politicians or leaders of pro-gun control groups are suggesting a total ban and the confiscation of these weapons. Other nations have been able to ban and confiscate firearms but they started out with far fewer guns and gun owners. These nations also lacked the gun culture that is part of our nation's history and any laws similar to our 2nd Amendment. It's fine to point out that few murders by firearms occur in the UK but it's like saying that there are few traffic deaths in North Korea where there are only a few cars.

5) Not mentioned in the video is our failed War on Drugs which we lost decades ago. Turf warfare between competing drug gangs in Chicago is the biggest cause of the gun violence in that city.

6) Our mental health care system is inferior to many other nations as is our entire health care system. Hopefully this will improve in the near future due to the passage of Obama Care.

7) Our public educational system has fallen behind other nations in recent years. At least the high school graduation rate is showing signs of improvement and is now at a 40 year high so we are seeing signs of improvement. (ref: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/national-high-school-graduation-rates-at-a-four-decade-high/2013/01/21/012cd7da-63e7-11e2-85f5-a8a9228e55e7_story.html) Still a significant percentage of our youth are only qualified to be hamburger flippers.

8) Of course a good education is wasted if there are no good jobs or opportunities.

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UK vs US, violent crime meme [View all] DreWId Jan 2013 OP
I am interested in this issue also as my s-i-l handed me a bunch of RW talking points about how jwirr Jan 2013 #1
What about Japan? DreWId Jan 2013 #3
I saw that on PBS this morning libodem Jan 2013 #4
how many murders total? gejohnston Jan 2013 #6
I only remember the one year being 8 libodem Jan 2013 #17
I lived in Japan gejohnston Jan 2013 #5
In summation DreWId Jan 2013 #9
Japan is also monocultural. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #30
Okay, he did not mention them. jwirr Jan 2013 #8
here is one that compares the OECD countries gejohnston Jan 2013 #2
So what we are to surmise is? DreWId Jan 2013 #7
so many logical fallacies, so little time. gejohnston Jan 2013 #11
Thanks for clarifying DreWId Jan 2013 #14
you are welcome gejohnston Jan 2013 #18
It's so nice to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into talking points DreWId Jan 2013 #20
I try gejohnston Jan 2013 #23
a man named EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #10
Proof? DreWId Jan 2013 #12
ok sorry EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #15
I'm not sure I get it DreWId Jan 2013 #21
this video EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #22
it all depends on the definitions stevebrt Jan 2013 #13
My point exactly DreWId Jan 2013 #16
Watch the video at this site. .... spin Jan 2013 #19
Their reporting is entirely different. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #24
hierarchy rules jimmy the one Jan 2013 #25
costs of gunshot treatment US jimmy the one Jan 2013 #26
The US has by far the highest homicide rate of any developed nation. DanTex Jan 2013 #27
DreWId UK vs US, violent gun crime meme reply - US more violent by far, see link James Mahogany Feb 2013 #28
DreWId UK vs US, violent gun crime meme reply - US more violent by far, see link (revised) James Mahogany Feb 2013 #29
some numbers guardian Feb 2013 #31
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