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DreWId

(78 posts)
20. It's so nice to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into talking points
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:26 PM
Jan 2013

Okay, so we both can agree that a butcher knife would cause major damage when striking a target. When I ask about rate of fire, my intention is to compare a single butcher knife being wielded in a stationary position versus a ranged-munitions-device, the munitions device would have a higher instance of opportunity to maim or damage a target - but I'm afraid I'm veering us off course.

fewer murders regardless of means.

As for this statement, what you mean to say is that even with more guns in the UK, there were still less murders overall? When did the UK start enacting stricter gun control measures? Could you source it, please?

It is a safe bet none of Japan's gun murders were with a legal gun.

Okay, let's make that safe bet, but that compares to this mother jones article (again, I hesitate to use any news source versus a statistical data source, so I am assuming their chart/reporting is correct - so, disclaimer noted.) which states 49 killers involved in mass shootings since 1982 obtained their guns legally.

Guns were used in fewer murders in 1950 even though the federal laws, and many state laws were laxer (the south had stricter laws than CA or IL at the time) than now. In 1965 guns were used in 58 percent of murders compared to 70 percent on average today.

Can you provide your source?

They don't throw away the key for ripping off a pizza like California does either.

How many of Japan's prisons are privately-owned as well? Certainly (my assumption) the incarceration rate doesn't help the overall Culture [subsection: stigma] as it pertains to economic and educational opportunities.

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UK vs US, violent crime meme [View all] DreWId Jan 2013 OP
I am interested in this issue also as my s-i-l handed me a bunch of RW talking points about how jwirr Jan 2013 #1
What about Japan? DreWId Jan 2013 #3
I saw that on PBS this morning libodem Jan 2013 #4
how many murders total? gejohnston Jan 2013 #6
I only remember the one year being 8 libodem Jan 2013 #17
I lived in Japan gejohnston Jan 2013 #5
In summation DreWId Jan 2013 #9
Japan is also monocultural. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #30
Okay, he did not mention them. jwirr Jan 2013 #8
here is one that compares the OECD countries gejohnston Jan 2013 #2
So what we are to surmise is? DreWId Jan 2013 #7
so many logical fallacies, so little time. gejohnston Jan 2013 #11
Thanks for clarifying DreWId Jan 2013 #14
you are welcome gejohnston Jan 2013 #18
It's so nice to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into talking points DreWId Jan 2013 #20
I try gejohnston Jan 2013 #23
a man named EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #10
Proof? DreWId Jan 2013 #12
ok sorry EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #15
I'm not sure I get it DreWId Jan 2013 #21
this video EarthWindFire Jan 2013 #22
it all depends on the definitions stevebrt Jan 2013 #13
My point exactly DreWId Jan 2013 #16
Watch the video at this site. .... spin Jan 2013 #19
Their reporting is entirely different. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #24
hierarchy rules jimmy the one Jan 2013 #25
costs of gunshot treatment US jimmy the one Jan 2013 #26
The US has by far the highest homicide rate of any developed nation. DanTex Jan 2013 #27
DreWId UK vs US, violent gun crime meme reply - US more violent by far, see link James Mahogany Feb 2013 #28
DreWId UK vs US, violent gun crime meme reply - US more violent by far, see link (revised) James Mahogany Feb 2013 #29
some numbers guardian Feb 2013 #31
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