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Clames

(2,038 posts)
85. I'll let the pictures do the talking. I've found pictures to be more effective when dealing...
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:32 PM
Feb 2013

...with those of limited technical ability. This will serve as a general technical primer for the RKBA group as a whole and help to dispel the ignorant statement of "easily converted" AR15's made by those who don't do their proper research.

This is a picture of a current issued M16A2 lower receiver showing the select-fire trigger group.


This is a picture of a civilian AR15 "high shelf" lower receiver showing the semi-auto only trigger group.


Pay special attention to the areas forward and around of the rear receiver pin. Notice the amount of material left on the sides and in the bottom of the trigger group "well" in the civilian legal AR15. Difficult to tell in the photos but if measured directly the width of the gap allowed for the rear lug of the upper receiver is slightly smaller in the AR15. This means that a M16 upper cannot be simply installed on a civilian AR15 lower without grinding the rear lug narrower. It is also impossible to swap trigger groups without significant and precise machining to the civilian lower receiver. That isn't all though.

This the a picture of the rear section of a M16A2 upper receiver.


This is a picture of a civilian AR15 upper receiver intended to be installed on a civilian AR15 lower.


The difference is in the depth of the rear lug. The M16's is slightly deeper which moves the position of the hole for the pin down relative to the shelf of the upper receiver. You would have to grind the bottom of the lug and wallow out the hole to make it fit on a current civilian AR15 lower resulting in an unstable, inaccurate, and potentially dangerous weapon to use as there will be excessive play from the modifications to the M16 upper. Military contract M16/M4's are sized to have fairly loose tolerances which makes it easier to field strip, correct malfunctions under duress, and facilitate unit level repair by allowing parts to be swapped from weapons made by different contractors. Civilian AR15's are built to closer tolerances for enhanced accuracy and feel and assembling parts usually requires minor to moderate fitting to work properly.


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And he didn't kill anyone? Pshaw. kudzu22 Feb 2013 #1
pretend military rifles? rdharma Feb 2013 #2
unless it is select fire and issued to some military gejohnston Feb 2013 #4
Other than the auto-sear....it's a military rifle rdharma Feb 2013 #11
I know full auto is seldom used. I've used both versions as well gejohnston Feb 2013 #12
"tacticool" looks rdharma Feb 2013 #14
so is a pump shotgun gejohnston Feb 2013 #15
He didn't use any rdharma Feb 2013 #16
you changed it to the "joker" as in Holmes gejohnston Feb 2013 #17
Fire bombs? rdharma Feb 2013 #18
Oh, you were calling a fellow Dem a joker for not wanting his murals trashed gejohnston Feb 2013 #19
What weapons are you talking about....... rdharma Feb 2013 #20
so much to explain, so little time. gejohnston Feb 2013 #21
Holmes tried fire bombs rdharma Feb 2013 #22
tear gas gejohnston Feb 2013 #23
No......... Fire bombs. rdharma Feb 2013 #24
I have gejohnston Feb 2013 #25
No, he didn't! rdharma Feb 2013 #27
he used tear gas at the theater and bombs rigged at his apt. gejohnston Feb 2013 #28
And a semi-auto AR-15 to kill people in the theater! rdharma Feb 2013 #29
IIRC, the shotgun did more gejohnston Feb 2013 #30
No! You've made my point! rdharma Feb 2013 #31
Are AR-15s issued as the main combat weapon for our troops? Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #34
AR-15s issued to our troops? rdharma Feb 2013 #36
Again. Are AR-15s the chief weapon issued to troops? nc Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #37
Again....... how does an AR-15 differ from an M-16? rdharma Feb 2013 #39
how long ago? gejohnston Feb 2013 #40
"violating NFA" rdharma Feb 2013 #41
So, the AR 15 (a semi-auto) is the main weapon issued our soldiers? Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #44
Being intentionally obtuse? Want me to draw a picture? rdharma Feb 2013 #45
So, you are saying the AR15 is biught in marge numbers by civilians... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #80
"BATF should be interested in this" rdharma Feb 2013 #81
WRONG. The mere possesion of a full auto sear is illegal oneshooter Feb 2013 #82
Citation? rdharma Feb 2013 #84
WRONG. Clames Feb 2013 #83
"these parts:" What is your data on how many have been ordered? Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #86
Start with the trigger group... Clames Feb 2013 #46
Oh, I love it when the gun nutters call me on technical issues! rdharma Feb 2013 #48
Love it folks like you prove how full of shit they are. Clames Feb 2013 #51
high shelf vs low shelf when it comes to how the uppers and lowers are machined rdharma Feb 2013 #53
"AR-15 carriers cannot be modified to work in a M16" rdharma Feb 2013 #68
LOL...welcome to the 1970's. Clames Feb 2013 #69
your gunsmithing knowledge rdharma Feb 2013 #70
Yeah, but you stayed you could easily swap parts between them. Clames Feb 2013 #73
if you didn't know exactly what parts rdharma Feb 2013 #75
Sure you do... Clames Feb 2013 #79
I'll let the pictures do the talking. I've found pictures to be more effective when dealing... Clames Feb 2013 #85
AR-15 bolt carriers from 86-down AR's are shortened for civilian use. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #65
Pre-1986 that statement is true. Post 1986 it's a felony. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #47
OR...... Class III nt rdharma Feb 2013 #49
NFA registry is closed. No more legal class III for non-LEO (or manufacturer's/repair services) Hugh AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #50
Legal, eh? rdharma Feb 2013 #52
Wrong again. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #54
Is it possible? Yes. People break the law all the time. rdharma Feb 2013 #55
I understood your point just fine. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #56
Actually the Mini-14 is closer to the M-1 Carbine design rdharma Feb 2013 #57
My point is, it weakens your position when you make blatantly inaccurate absolute statements. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #58
Comparing it to the M1 Carbine is a distinction without a difference.) rdharma Feb 2013 #61
I own the M1 and the mini-14. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #63
Position of mag release and safety? rdharma Feb 2013 #67
Everything you stayed was inaccurate. Clames Feb 2013 #71
didn't feel the need to compete with SA rdharma Feb 2013 #72
Lets count all the shit you are attributing to me, that I didn't say. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #76
When I say Garand, I MEAN Garand. rdharma Feb 2013 #77
Again, attributing BS I didn't say. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #78
Cheering for someone who is willing to execute kids for spraypainting. It's appalling. ThatPoetGuy Feb 2013 #3
he never said that. gejohnston Feb 2013 #5
You're defending someone who was willing to risk his life in order to deface someone's property slackmaster Feb 2013 #7
Spraypainting? oneshooter Feb 2013 #43
That subject line is so ambiguous I have no idea what the story is about slackmaster Feb 2013 #6
fixed it gejohnston Feb 2013 #8
I thought he made his case very well. bluedigger Feb 2013 #9
The Breakfast Klub oneshooter Feb 2013 #10
Better yet, visit and eat there! I will. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #35
He didn't use the AR-15! rdharma Feb 2013 #13
Yet. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #59
AR-15 wasn't carried or used in confrontation. nt rdharma Feb 2013 #62
Not then. He's carrying it now, or for the interview anyway. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #64
25 replies yet I can see only 8 of them slackmaster Feb 2013 #26
I don't block people. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #60
I use Ignore User only when I decide that someone and I simply can't communicate with each other slackmaster Feb 2013 #74
Chicken and waffles? alabama_for_obama Feb 2013 #32
Just don't let Sam Jackson give you a ride over there. rrneck Feb 2013 #33
I like his monologue... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #42
DU Rec Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #38
The AR is one of the best defensive long guns citizens can own. ileus Feb 2013 #66
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